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Post by chulavista on Feb 12, 2020 16:07:45 GMT -5
This week we're ordering a 2020 Ford F350 Dually 4x4 with the diesel, then the end of the year we're ordering a 2021 382MBQ if it will still be available! chulavista - Coincidentally I have a 2017 F350 dually diesel 4x4 and a 2018 382MBQ. Tows like a dream. Last summer we went from so Cal. to San Antonio TX & back on a 2 week trip. Had to remember the trailer was there at times! Yeah! You know what we're going for then, don't ya! LOL!! We held off getting the truck when Ford announced they were going to the 10 speed tranny. We have a '99 F250 right now, and my husband always complained it needed more gears. We were originally going to buy a 2019 but Ford announced the 10 speed tranny for the 2020's before we pulled the trigger. So now we don't want to purchase both in the same year - financial reasons....we have a travel trailer we can use for another year. Then it's on to the Durango unless I find something that will change my mind - that has happened 4 times so far...  |
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Post by Edd505 on Feb 12, 2020 19:54:46 GMT -5
This week we're ordering a 2020 Ford F350 Dually 4x4 with the diesel, then the end of the year we're ordering a 2021 382MBQ if it will still be available! Pay very close attention the order form, checking (or not checking) one of those boxes can affect your capacity. Most sales guys are complete and total idiots who have no idea what does what and will tell you anything to get you you to take the mis-ordered poorly specified pile of dung they ended up with thru some dealer trade the idiot general manger did. I have found asking for the truck fleet sales man usually gets someone knows about GVW etc. Most of them are cars sales & don't know squat about trucks, towing, loads etc. |
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Post by chulavista on Feb 13, 2020 9:10:43 GMT -5
Pay very close attention the order form, checking (or not checking) one of those boxes can affect your capacity. Most sales guys are complete and total idiots who have no idea what does what and will tell you anything to get you you to take the mis-ordered poorly specified pile of dung they ended up with thru some dealer trade the idiot general manger did. I have found asking for the truck fleet sales man usually gets someone knows about GVW etc. Most of them are cars sales & don't know squat about trucks, towing, loads etc. Very true! |
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Post by laknox on Feb 13, 2020 10:26:34 GMT -5
chulavista - Coincidentally I have a 2017 F350 dually diesel 4x4 and a 2018 382MBQ. Tows like a dream. Last summer we went from so Cal. to San Antonio TX & back on a 2 week trip. Had to remember the trailer was there at times! Yeah! You know what we're going for then, don't ya! LOL!! We held off getting the truck when Ford announced they were going to the 10 speed tranny. We have a '99 F250 right now, and my husband always complained it needed more gears. We were originally going to buy a 2019 but Ford announced the 10 speed tranny for the 2020's before we pulled the trigger. So now we don't want to purchase both in the same year - financial reasons....we have a travel trailer we can use for another year. Then it's on to the Durango unless I find something that will change my mind - that has happened 4 times so far... Only 4?! (GD&RLH!) Lyle |
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Post by Edd505 on Feb 13, 2020 20:49:15 GMT -5
Yeah! You know what we're going for then, don't ya! LOL!! We held off getting the truck when Ford announced they were going to the 10 speed tranny. We have a '99 F250 right now, and my husband always complained it needed more gears. We were originally going to buy a 2019 but Ford announced the 10 speed tranny for the 2020's before we pulled the trigger. So now we don't want to purchase both in the same year - financial reasons....we have a travel trailer we can use for another year. Then it's on to the Durango unless I find something that will change my mind - that has happened 4 times so far... My first super duty was a 99 and one of my favorites. Loved the way the back seat folded down to a flat floor, it was wide enough the wife put a matters back there and could nap as we traveled. Wish they would being that feature back. |
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Post by rvdude on Feb 13, 2020 22:07:07 GMT -5
AND - Do not believe anything a salesman says! When looking at my Durango Gold trailer I asked the salesman several questions to which his reply was "I don't know... you know more about these things than I do". Good thing I knew about them and also knew what I wanted. |
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Post by chulavista on Feb 14, 2020 12:03:57 GMT -5
Yeah! You know what we're going for then, don't ya! LOL!! We held off getting the truck when Ford announced they were going to the 10 speed tranny. We have a '99 F250 right now, and my husband always complained it needed more gears. We were originally going to buy a 2019 but Ford announced the 10 speed tranny for the 2020's before we pulled the trigger. So now we don't want to purchase both in the same year - financial reasons....we have a travel trailer we can use for another year. Then it's on to the Durango unless I find something that will change my mind - that has happened 4 times so far... Only 4?! (GD&RLH!) Lyle Yeah, I probably fudged that number a bit - more like double that....all over the place when looking at toy haulers to begin with...then on to fifth wheels that were 35' or shorter....I'm not really sure to tell the truth! Every time I think we have it narrowed down, something else comes along.  |
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Post by chulavista on Feb 14, 2020 12:06:54 GMT -5
AND - Do not believe anything a salesman says! When looking at my Durango Gold trailer I asked the salesman several questions to which his reply was "I don't know... you know more about these things than I do". Good thing I knew about them and also knew what I wanted. So true! At the end of the day, it's my money until I sign the check and I want to know exactly what I'm getting for it - especially at an $80k price point. |
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Post by pawpawcamper on Feb 14, 2020 12:44:26 GMT -5
Should have got a F450 - turning radius is great.
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Post by laknox on Feb 14, 2020 22:27:07 GMT -5
Yeah, I probably fudged that number a bit - more like double that....all over the place when looking at toy haulers to begin with...then on to fifth wheels that were 35' or shorter....I'm not really sure to tell the truth! Every time I think we have it narrowed down, something else comes along. Honey, I really like....OOOOO donuts. Lyle |
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Post by Chuck on Feb 16, 2020 15:21:25 GMT -5
I agree allot of good advice here ...
As edd stated usually the truck fan boys blast the other guys. I have a 2006 F350 dually, 6.0 diesel, crew cab, long box.
The dually and long wheelbase are a noticeable advantage when towing. I also think any of the big 3 would make a good
tow vehicle if properly (and similarly) equipped.
As stated Ford’s new diesels are very reliable ... I as well don’t know where that criticism came from that they have become very reliable an have great power.... I also assume you are buying new.
If you buy used, particularly older than 2-3 years, you need greater awareness of brand strengths and weaknesses. 6.0 Fords were problematic, but if you do what is called the bullet proofing ie new head bolts an head gasket the run well an have lots if power.
GM’s in the past as stated used to have low GCVW ratings. Rams also had issues so when going used research your chosen
truck’s brand history. I also would tell you that a diesel is a superior towing platform and helps trucks retain a better resale
value.
I am totally against buy a Gas engine to tow with, the torque is different an if your traveling out west you will need all the
torgue you can get pulling mountain passes that can be 10 or more miles long a 7% ... I am also for DRW an 4X4, DRW for stubby an 4X4 to get you out of a hole you might dig yourself into, example getting out of a camping spot or camp
grounds that have a hill with lots of wet leaves, talk about slick ... Two wheel drive you will more than likely spin an spin,
put your truck in 4 wheel drive you will pull out without spinning 99% of the time .....
I also agree on salesmen, 98% have no Idea of your wants an needs, be it a truck or a trailer, when I was looking to upgrade trucks to pull our 5th wheel I was looking for trucks at a Ford dealer ... I told the salesman that I was towing trailer with equipment over 7k an a 5th wheel that was 12k an looking at 3/4 or 1 ton an was limited to budget ... He stated talking to me about a ford ranger, I ask him what he didn't understand about trailers weighing 12k, he stated well your on a limited budget, I walked away shaking my head in disbelief ....
Safe Travels 
Chuck
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Post by chulavista on Feb 17, 2020 13:46:02 GMT -5
Should have got a F450 - turning radius is great. I wanted a 450 - I didn't win this one!! LOL!! |
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Post by chulavista on Feb 17, 2020 13:49:31 GMT -5
I agree allot of good advice here ...
As edd stated usually the truck fan boys blast the other guys. I have a 2006 F350 dually, 6.0 diesel, crew cab, long box.
The dually and long wheelbase are a noticeable advantage when towing. I also think any of the big 3 would make a good
tow vehicle if properly (and similarly) equipped.
As stated Ford’s new diesels are very reliable ... I as well don’t know where that criticism came from that they have become very reliable an have great power.... I also assume you are buying new.
If you buy used, particularly older than 2-3 years, you need greater awareness of brand strengths and weaknesses. 6.0 Fords were problematic, but if you do what is called the bullet proofing ie new head bolts an head gasket the run well an have lots if power.
GM’s in the past as stated used to have low GCVW ratings. Rams also had issues so when going used research your chosen
truck’s brand history. I also would tell you that a diesel is a superior towing platform and helps trucks retain a better resale
value.
I am totally against buy a Gas engine to tow with, the torque is different an if your traveling out west you will need all the
torgue you can get pulling mountain passes that can be 10 or more miles long a 7% ... I am also for DRW an 4X4, DRW for stubby an 4X4 to get you out of a hole you might dig yourself into, example getting out of a camping spot or camp
grounds that have a hill with lots of wet leaves, talk about slick ... Two wheel drive you will more than likely spin an spin,
put your truck in 4 wheel drive you will pull out without spinning 99% of the time .....
I also agree on salesmen, 98% have no Idea of your wants an needs, be it a truck or a trailer, when I was looking to upgrade trucks to pull our 5th wheel I was looking for trucks at a Ford dealer ... I told the salesman that I was towing trailer with equipment over 7k an a 5th wheel that was 12k an looking at 3/4 or 1 ton an was limited to budget ... He stated talking to me about a ford ranger, I ask him what he didn't understand about trailers weighing 12k, he stated well your on a limited budget, I walked away shaking my head in disbelief ....
Safe Travels
Chuck
We ordered this past weekend - 2020 F350 diesel Dually long bed, 4x4. Agreed, 4x4 or nothing - we've been in many a camping spot where we needed 4 wheel drive to get out of it due to slick mud, grass or whatever. My other half is also totally against a gas motor for heavy hauling. |
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Post by nvguy on Feb 17, 2020 22:29:39 GMT -5
What it the ETA of the new truck? 4X4 is the way to go.
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Post by chulavista on Feb 19, 2020 11:25:51 GMT -5
What it the ETA of the new truck? 4X4 is the way to go. They told us ETA 14-16 weeks. I'm hoping sooner. |
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Post by nvguy on Feb 19, 2020 23:11:48 GMT -5
What it the ETA of the new truck? 4X4 is the way to go. They told us ETA 14-16 weeks. I'm hoping sooner. That's about the same as I was told. I think it showed up a week or so early. What drove me crazy is it came by rail right thru here (Reno) to CA, then got loaded on a truck and hauled back up the Sierra's to Reno..added another week or so to the wait. Ford used to have a web site where you could track the progress, but they took it down. |
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Post by chulavista on Feb 20, 2020 12:57:21 GMT -5
They told us ETA 14-16 weeks. I'm hoping sooner. That's about the same as I was told. I think it showed up a week or so early. What drove me crazy is it came by rail right thru here (Reno) to CA, then got loaded on a truck and hauled back up the Sierra's to Reno..added another week or so to the wait. Ford used to have a web site where you could track the progress, but they took it down. There's another site I'm on that offers ways to track the order. I'm not sure I'm going to do that just yet, it will probably just drive me crazy. I am watching others though, and it seems the 14-16 weeks was at the end of the year - so the bottleneck where orders were placed but production hadn't yet started. It looks like some are receiving their trucks in more like 10-12 weeks. I have learned the orders are only pulled from the dealers to the factory on Thursdays - so our order is just getting to the factory today. Who knows how long after that it will take for it to hit the production line. Our dealer told us 14-16 week timeline all the while thinking it probably won't take that long. |
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Post by mdcamper on Feb 26, 2020 8:32:53 GMT -5
For that size of a camper you want a 1 ton (or better!) dully. Drive all the brands before you purchase. They all will be poor with turning radius as others have pointed out. They all have their own issues but the ford Diesels are not the best nor the most reliable. The GM diesels (Isuzu duramax) have issues with emissions components and injectors. The RAMS will have problems with the front ends eventually (I know someone in the parts industry and the dodges are about 5:1 in front end component failures compared to other brands). BTW, GM and Dodge in house engineers could not develop a diesel motor to save their lives. They tried and failed. That's why GM partnered with Isuzu who have a great deisel design and Dodge partnered with Cummins. Same with their transmissions. Neither could make a heavy duty one that would handle the job so they outsource. I have been in super duties since 1999 and the only one that had issues was the 2006 6.0, that had the head gasket issues the 6.0 was known for. My current 6.7 is about to turn 100K with most miles towing, zero problems by keeping oil changed and fuel clean. Back to the old whats brands better, depends on who you ask. My oldest son used to work in a multi-brand repair shop. Their entire crew saw a lot of trucks come through. Most troubled engine were the ford diesels. He refuses to get a ford based on what he saw (quality wise). They did a lot of fleet work (mostly fords) When ever I bring up possibly getting a ford he just shakes his head and tells me i'm nuts. LOL He also hates our Nissan Titan XD that we currently own. There are not many choices when you need something that can haul 16k lbs though so you have to pick your poison so it's either Ford, Chevy or Dodge in the Pickup truck arena. Myself, I lean towards a Ford but not with much enthusiasm.
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Post by ronc on Feb 26, 2020 12:40:07 GMT -5
I have been in super duties since 1999 and the only one that had issues was the 2006 6.0, that had the head gasket issues the 6.0 was known for. My current 6.7 is about to turn 100K with most miles towing, zero problems by keeping oil changed and fuel clean. Back to the old whats brands better, depends on who you ask. My oldest son used to work in a multi-brand repair shop. Their entire crew saw a lot of trucks come through. Most troubled engine were the ford diesels. He refuses to get a ford based on what he saw (quality wise). They did a lot of fleet work (mostly fords) When ever I bring up possibly getting a ford he just shakes his head and tells me i'm nuts. LOL He also hates our Nissan Titan XD that we currently own. There are not many choices when you need something that can haul 16k lbs though so you have to pick your poison so it's either Ford, Chevy or Dodge in the Pickup truck arena. Myself, I lean towards a Ford but not with much enthusiasm.
Keep in mind this is OLD historical information. Ford used to buy it’s Diesel engines from International. The very old 7.3 was very reliable, the 6.0 and 6.2 were problematic, but fixable with “bullet proofing”. Ford designed their own 6.7 liter diesel (scorpion) in 2012. That engine had ceramic turbo bearings which couldn’t tolerate much abuse and caused some failures. In 2013 they went back to steel turbo bearings and corrected that weakness. In 2015 they went to the 6.7 gen 2 engine with increased torque and horsepower and an improved exhaust brake. In 2017 they introduced the gen 3 6.7 with even more torque and horsepower. So since 2013, the 6.7 scorpion turbo diesel has been an excellent engine. I don’t know how long ago your son worked on those “bad” Ford diesels ... he was probably working on International diesels rebranded to Ford. The last 8 years have been Ford designed and built 6.7 liter scorpion diesels. That’s a pretty good track record for reliability. |
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Post by Edd505 on Feb 26, 2020 20:49:31 GMT -5
The 17 has more HP & torque? I love the 15 for the power above the 7.3 & 6.0 and I don't want to buy another truck.
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