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Post by jetzen on Jun 20, 2017 8:46:12 GMT -5
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Post by ronc on Oct 16, 2017 14:46:48 GMT -5
Well I was wondering about my Provider ST235/80R16 Nitrogen Filled tires, so I started looking at Nitrogen Filled tires and if I could just add regular air to them if they were low ...... Well after about 30 pages of mathematics I came to the conclusion that filling your tires with Nitrogen is like buying a car or trailer. A hundred people say it's good and a hundred people say your wasting your money and there is only a .002 difference at any given time Ugh ....  Sooooooooo I believe I will just add regular air when needed since I check my tires on our trips ever morning along with the Oil and water .... An comments  Chuck ... I know this is an old post, but I thought I’d share with you what I do. I have a Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS). I monitor every tire on the truck (inside dually is a hassle to install the monitor but worth it IMO) and on the 5er ... so all 10 tires monitored. Makes the daily tire pressure check a simple case of looking at the monitor prior to departure. Knowing what is going on with your tires (temperature and pressures) while going down the road, is vital to safety and reassuring. Preventing just one tire blowout will pay for the system. I’ve had one alert for low pressure which allowed me to continue to the next exit and figure out what was going on. I could see the pressure was dropping very slowly, which allowed me to know I could continue to the next exit, which is much safer than stopping on the side of the highway. It was a valve stem leaking at the base. My repair was $15.00 instead of a roadside service call. My system is a TST (Truck Systems Technologies) 507. I’m not advocating for this brand (but I like it a lot), but I am advocating for this technology. There are several companies that make good systems and all are comparably priced, so brand is “pick the one you like”. I have high confidence in the accuracy as I initially fill my tires using my calibrated air pressure gauge which agrees with the TPMS, so the tire pressures are taken by two different sources (one calibrated) agree with each other, unlikely they would be wrong at the same pressures. |
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Post by Chuck on Oct 17, 2017 0:15:47 GMT -5
Interesting Comments Chuck |
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Post by Chuck on Oct 17, 2017 0:21:26 GMT -5
Well I was wondering about my Provider ST235/80R16 Nitrogen Filled tires, so I started looking at Nitrogen Filled tires and if I could just add regular air to them if they were low ...... Well after about 30 pages of mathematics I came to the conclusion that filling your tires with Nitrogen is like buying a car or trailer. A hundred people say it's good and a hundred people say your wasting your money and there is only a .002 difference at any given time Ugh .... Sooooooooo I believe I will just add regular air when needed since I check my tires on our trips ever morning along with the Oil and water .... An comments Chuck ... I know this is an old post, but I thought I’d share with you what I do. I have a Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS). I monitor every tire on the truck (inside dually is a hassle to install the monitor but worth it IMO) and on the 5er ... so 10 tires monitored. Makes the daily tire pressure check a simple case of looking at the monitor prior to departure. Knowing what is going on with your tires (temperature and pressures) while going down the road, is vital to safety and reassuring. Preventing just one tire blowout will pay for the system. I’ve had one alert for low pressure which allowed me to continue to the next exit and figure out what was going on. I could see the pressure was dropping very slowly, which allowed me to know I could continue to the next exit, which is much safer than stopping on the side of the highway. It was a valve stem leaking at the base. My repair was $15.00 instead of a roadside service call. My system is a TST (Truck Systems Technologies) 507. I’m not advocating for this brand (but I like it a lot), but I am advocating for this technology. There are several companies that make good systems and all are comparably priced, so brand is “pick the one you like”. I have high confidence in the accuracy as I initially fill my tires using my calibrated air pressure gauge which agrees with the TPMS, so the tire pressures are taken by two different sources (one calibrated) agree with each other, unlikely they would be wrong at the same pressures. Ron I have been looking at the tire monitoring system for some time, I do check my tires on a regular basics during trips, as you say it's hard to check the inter tires on my truck as they are like yours ... Being I have over three million miles in a over the road truck without an accident safety to me is the most important thing while on the road for both my family, myself an others around me Thank you for the post an thinking about me Safe Travels Chuck |
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Post by capemayal on Oct 17, 2017 7:44:57 GMT -5
If it were me, instead of replacing the tires with a higher load range 16's, I would switch over to a 17.5, load H. I've done that and have been happy. We do a lot of traveling,not quite full-time. Our next big trip is NJ to Quartzsite and who knows where. Our current tire is the OEM on our DG. Of course it depends on your use and how many miles a year. But, no matter what you change to or not change to, you need to have your rig and truck weighed. Adjust your pressures per the tire mfg inflation charts. I've run OEM's for many miles, keeping my pressures accurate, and checking daily.
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Post by Chuck on Oct 17, 2017 11:18:41 GMT -5
Rule of thumb is check daily before you leave while cold, check while on the road an don't let air out when the tire is hot  Safe Travels Chuck & Hildi |
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Post by ronc on Oct 17, 2017 19:54:02 GMT -5
If it were me, instead of replacing the tires with a higher load range 16's, I would switch over to a 17.5, load H. I've done that and have been happy. We do a lot of traveling,not quite full-time. Our next big trip is NJ to Quartzsite and who knows where. Our current tire is the OEM on our DG. Of course it depends on your use and how many miles a year. But, no matter what you change to or not change to, you need to have your rig and truck weighed. Adjust your pressures per the tire mfg inflation charts. I've run OEM's for many miles, keeping my pressures accurate, and checking daily. This thread has been going for a long time ... this past August I did as you did and replaced my 16” wheels and G 614’s with 17.5” high spec aluminum wheels and Goodyear G 114 H rated tires. Big upgrade ...expensive, but tire related issues with the G 114’s are rare, not bullet proof, but close. |
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pawpawcamper
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2017 Durango 2500 - 2017 F450 Ford - Sailun Tires
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Post by pawpawcamper on Apr 16, 2018 15:27:53 GMT -5
Just purchased the ST235/70R16 Sailum S637T for my 2017 Durango D346BHF from simpletire.com (10% off) Set of 4 $515.08 . Getting installed this week. All good reviews. Happy Camping.
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Post by Edd505 on Apr 16, 2018 19:36:46 GMT -5
How many complaints have you heard of LT blow outs? Go to LT tires, problem solved. JMHO
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Post by ronc on Aug 25, 2018 15:49:22 GMT -5
Just purchased the ST235/70R16 Sailum S637T for my 2017 Durango D346BHF from simpletire.com (10% off) Set of 4 $515.08 . Getting installed this week. All good reviews. Happy Camping. I realize that we’ve all got budgets to deal with, but (IMO) price is the least important factor in selecting tires. It is seducing to think you can get “just as good” for less money, but that hasn’t been my experience. In life, you almost always get what you pay for ... again, just IMO. Best of luck with your new tires. |
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Post by ronc on Sept 4, 2018 13:34:00 GMT -5
Mine had LT's before i took delivery, let them keep the new ST's. Good reviews on the G rated and that's likely my next tire, G LT's. Now that you are considering full time ... I think you'll "gain weight" ... most of us do. G rated Goodyears (the 614 tire) do fine as long as no single wheel gets heavier than about 3,500 lbs. which is the max for 7K axles anyway. I did the overkill thing and upgraded to 8K axles, disc brakes, Independent Suspension and 17.5" wheels and H rated Goodyear G114's. I'm overweight but built for it. My heaviest wheel is 3,560 lbs.<style></style> |
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Post by laknox on Sept 5, 2018 10:57:06 GMT -5
How many complaints have you heard of LT blow outs? Go to LT tires, problem solved. JMHO The Sailuns =were= originally an LT tire, but due to import tariffs, they changed its label to "ST" to avoid them. Virtually the same tire, just with a different label. They are, from all reports, the gold standard for heavier rigs that need G/H rated tires. About half the price of GY G614s, with a stellar reputation (so far). Only downside is that Sailun won't pay for damages like GY will, but don't you think it's easier to NOT have damage in the first place?  Lyle |
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Post by laknox on Sept 5, 2018 11:01:14 GMT -5
Just purchased the ST235/70R16 Sailum S637T for my 2017 Durango D346BHF from simpletire.com (10% off) Set of 4 $515.08 . Getting installed this week. All good reviews. Happy Camping. I realize that we’ve all got budgets to deal with, but (IMO) price is the least important factor in selecting tires. It is seducing to think you can get “just as good” for less money, but that hasn’t been my experience. In life, you almost always get what you pay for ... again, just IMO. Best of luck with your new tires. I have, as yet, to read of a Sailun failure due to a defective tire. Hell, I can't even think of any posts I've read of even a =flat= on a Sailun, though I'm sure they've happened. I have no personal experience with them, and likely never will, as I have no desire to have a rig heavy enough to need them; just passing on what I've been reading around the RV fora for the past 3-4 years. There are some others out there that also have a good rep, especially in the haulage business, and seem to be creeping into the RV market. Provider, being one brand. Lyle |
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Post by ronc on Sept 5, 2018 13:25:26 GMT -5
How many complaints have you heard of LT blow outs? Go to LT tires, problem solved. JMHO The Sailuns =were= originally an LT tire, but due to import tariffs, they changed its label to "ST" to avoid them. Virtually the same tire, just with a different label. They are, from all reports, the gold standard for heavier rigs that need G/H rated tires. About half the price of GY G614s, with a stellar reputation (so far). Only downside is that Sailun won't pay for damages like GY will, but don't you think it's easier to NOT have damage in the first place? Lyle Gold Standard is a little strong for Sailuns. Maybe as good as a Goodyear G rated G614, but not nearly as good as a Goodyear H rated G114 (which is a commercial tire). This is IMO ... don't want to start a big thing here. |
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Post by laknox on Sept 6, 2018 10:55:51 GMT -5
The Sailuns =were= originally an LT tire, but due to import tariffs, they changed its label to "ST" to avoid them. Virtually the same tire, just with a different label. They are, from all reports, the gold standard for heavier rigs that need G/H rated tires. About half the price of GY G614s, with a stellar reputation (so far). Only downside is that Sailun won't pay for damages like GY will, but don't you think it's easier to NOT have damage in the first place? Lyle Gold Standard is a little strong for Sailuns. Maybe as good as a Goodyear G rated G614, but not nearly as good as a Goodyear H rated G114 (which is a commercial tire). This is IMO ... don't want to start a big thing here. I'm just saying that there are plenty of stories about 614 failures, and pics of damage caused. So far, I've not heard of a single Sailun failure in about 3 or 4 years. The fact that GY charges so much more, but will fix damage caused by a tire defect, shows that GY =knows= they've got a marginal tire, yet feel it's cheaper to just write a check than to re-engineer the tire. Of course, the customer pays the "insurance" by paying a much higher price. I just feel that there are options that are better, and cheaper, than the GY. Lyle |
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Post by ronc on Sept 7, 2018 17:31:57 GMT -5
Yeah Goodyear had a bad run of 614’s about 5 years ago, but that’s behind them. They pay for damages because they are a stand up company not because they have an inferior product. But You do your thing and I’ll do mine and we’ll both be happy.
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Post by jetzen on Sept 7, 2018 20:35:34 GMT -5
Yeah Goodyear had a bad run of 614’s about 5 years ago, but that’s behind them. They pay for damages because they are a stand up company not because they have an inferior product. But You do your thing and I’ll do mine and we’ll both be happy. And all the Unisteel tires manufactured today still have the same problems especially the G614 and G159 series, tread separation, or the delamination of the vulcanized tread cap. In other words the tread comes off. I hope for your sake that that comment never comes back to bite you. Goodyear is not the stand up company you think they are. Litigation is still going on for all the laws suits pending against them. They manufacture garbage. I know first hand, you forget I worked with SAE for over 30 years and we tested all of their products and most were found marginal at best. You should consider yourself lucky to even get a round one. You will never see their product on anything I own.
In most cases, they will not cover consequential damage because of a tire failure. They will make you jump through hoops if you are not prepared. You better have a current certified CAT scale weight slip to even be considered, and it needs to be CURRENT!, or else you are S.O.L.
A tire which has failed at highway speeds is almost impossible to determine the cause, abuse, road hazard or defect. A current weight slip will rule out a small part of the equation but will not guarantee you anything.
And yes you can believe what you want and again I hope you don't learn the hard way like so many others.
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Post by ronc on Sept 8, 2018 0:23:03 GMT -5
I tried to let it go easy with Lyle ... but to even compare the 16” G rated G614 (which is a “trailer” tire) with the 17.5” H rated commercial G114 demonstrates a profound lack of knowledge about tires in general ... your bias against Goodyear doesn’t negate the fact that they stand behind their products ... who do you call for Sailun? Not sure why you invited yourself into a discussion I was trying to end gently ... but there you go, that’s how I see it.
Repeating myself here, the G614 is an LT Tire that is speed rated to 75 mph. They had a bad run several years ago and developed a bad reputation. Goodyear fixed that and the modern G614 is a very good 16” G rated tire. The Sailun 637 is also a well regarded G rated tire that competes with the Goodyear G614. The G159 is a motor home tire that is speed rated for 65. It is often over sped by unknowledgeable motor home owners and has a frequent failure reputation due to that.
The Goodyear 17.5” G114 H rated commercial tire is a whole other animal ... and could lay claim to being the “gold standard” for heavy (over 18,000 lbs) 5th wheels. It is the tire that is standard on New Horizons, Spacecraft, DRV, RiverStone and other high end (heavy) 5th wheels.
I am aware of your opinion of Goodyear, I have a equally strong (bad) opinion of Allstate Insurance. There are many happy Allstate customers, I was not one of them. There are many happy Goodyear customers and I am one of those. I guess we’re just going to have to agree to disagree. BTW, the new Goodyear Endurance tire is earning a good reputation in the lighter trailer market.
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Post by Edd505 on Sept 8, 2018 18:33:32 GMT -5
Mine had LT's before i took delivery, let them keep the new ST's. Good reviews on the G rated and that's likely my next tire, G LT's. Now that you are considering full time ... I think you'll "gain weight" ... most of us do. G rated Goodyears (the 614 tire) do fine as long as no single wheel gets heavier than about 3,500 lbs. which is the max for 7K axles anyway. I did the overkill thing and upgraded to 8K axles, disc brakes, Independent Suspension and 17.5" wheels and H rated Goodyear G114's. I'm overweight but built for it. My heaviest wheel is 3,560 lbs.<style></style> I'll look into those and will upgrade to disk as soon as this thing needs brakes. Appreciate the info, bty Splendide waiting for me in Cleburne TX pick it up next week. |
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Post by capemayal on Sept 8, 2018 19:57:28 GMT -5
I remember reading a few years ago that the difference between LT and ST was the sidewalls. The ST were made for sharp, scuffing turns. That is, if my memory is still working!
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