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Post by mjquillici on Feb 16, 2021 23:18:56 GMT -5
I have a 2017 Spree Escape E196S (same model as future E191BH) with a 3,500 pound axle. I would like to upgrade the axle to something more robust, but am unable to find a single axle that meets the requisite dimensions. Can anyone provide a manufacturer and model number? I'd greatly appreciate it. Thank you!
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Post by laknox on Feb 17, 2021 10:22:43 GMT -5
I have a 2017 Spree Escape E196S (same model as future E191BH) with a 3,500 pound axle. I would like to upgrade the axle to something more robust, but am unable to find a single axle that meets the requisite dimensions. Can anyone provide a manufacturer and model number? I'd greatly appreciate it. Thank you! Did you check the same axle mfr for a 4k or 4.5k axle? There's really only 2 major RV axle mfrs, Dexter and Lippert. Lyle |
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Post by lynnmor on Feb 17, 2021 14:03:15 GMT -5
I had Dexter make me custom axles to replace the lightweight junk that was on there. I just called them with the dimensions and they took the order, hopefully they still do that. The 3500 lb. axles use the #84 spindle that provides almost zero shoulder for the inside bearing, if you can move up to a spindle with the larger bearings it would be best. Never buy a trailer with the #84 spindles, yes they are used on the majority of small to medium size trailers.
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Post by laknox on Feb 19, 2021 10:26:21 GMT -5
I had Dexter make me custom axles to replace the lightweight junk that was on there. I just called them with the dimensions and they took the order, hopefully they still do that. The 3500 lb. axles use the #84 spindle that provides almost zero shoulder for the inside bearing, if you can move up to a spindle with the larger bearings it would be best. Never buy a trailer with the #84 spindles, yes they are used on the majority of small to medium size trailers. Is that # found on the backplate of the hub? Lyle |
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Post by Edd505 on Feb 19, 2021 15:51:38 GMT -5
Dexter 5.2K axle $600 link |
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Post by lynnmor on Feb 19, 2021 17:30:31 GMT -5
I had Dexter make me custom axles to replace the lightweight junk that was on there. I just called them with the dimensions and they took the order, hopefully they still do that. The 3500 lb. axles use the #84 spindle that provides almost zero shoulder for the inside bearing, if you can move up to a spindle with the larger bearings it would be best. Never buy a trailer with the #84 spindles, yes they are used on the majority of small to medium size trailers. Is that # found on the backplate of the hub? Lyle The bearing and seal sizes will tell you if it is a #84 spindle. The numbers on the axle can be used by calling the axle manufacturer and asking. Pretty much any 3500 lb. axle will have these poorly designed spindles. All manufacturers of a certain spindle number, of course, use the same dimensions. Spindle BearingLook at the bearing and you will see that it was designed to be against a shoulder where the ground surface is, in this case the surface is marked "CHINA" The radius, which is not a precision ground surface, is about the same diameter at its outer edge as the spindle shoulder. The problems are they are located poorly, basically just an edge, causing bearing failure and wear immediately loosing adjustment. No, you will not read this anywhere else, just measure and do the math if you doubt what I wrote. The diameter where the seal rides should be much larger, giving a good shoulder, and then the appropriate seal used. I presented this on other forums over the years and received nothing but flack from the unknowing. |
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Post by mjquillici on Feb 22, 2021 2:36:59 GMT -5
I had Dexter make me custom axles to replace the lightweight junk that was on there. I just called them with the dimensions and they took the order, hopefully they still do that. The 3500 lb. axles use the #84 spindle that provides almost zero shoulder for the inside bearing, if you can move up to a spindle with the larger bearings it would be best. Never buy a trailer with the #84 spindles, yes they are used on the majority of small to medium size trailers. Thanks for the feedback! I'm assuming that this will also require upgrading to a 15-inch wheel. It looks like the 15-inch tires are about 1-inch taller. Will there be adequate clearance to accommodate the larger tire? |
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Post by lynnmor on Feb 22, 2021 5:28:54 GMT -5
Thanks for the feedback! I'm assuming that this will also require upgrading to a 15-inch wheel. It looks like the 15-inch tires are about 1-inch taller. Will there be adequate clearance to accommodate the larger tire? Usually you want 3" clearance above the tire. Look up the tire specifications, Tire Rack is a good source. There are a number of ways to increase the distance, blocks and over the axle mounts are two. You will need to do the measuring and don't forget the tire clearance on the sides, also know that an increase of 1" in diameter only decreases the clearance by 1/2". |
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rvtravels
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Sportmen classic 180QB.
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Post by rvtravels on Mar 5, 2021 8:56:18 GMT -5
I have a 180QB, the dealer had a custom axel made (higher weight rating) and fitted more weight bearing tires. They Also recommended helper springs (Sumo) which I installed myself. The dealer was clear though, none of this increases the GVWR of the trailer, just makes it ride better and safer. The fame etc. are all designed for the GVWR.
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Post by laknox on Mar 8, 2021 10:37:49 GMT -5
I have a 180QB, the dealer had a custom axel made (higher weight rating) and fitted more weight bearing tires. They Also recommended helper springs (Sumo) which I installed myself. The dealer was clear though, none of this increases the GVWR of the trailer, just makes it ride better and safer. The fame etc. are all designed for the GVWR.  Lyle |
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