bobnmonica
Seasonal RV’er
2020 GMC Diesel Denali Dully, Durango Gold MBQ 382
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Post by bobnmonica on Dec 13, 2020 23:07:11 GMT -5
We have had our 2021 382 MBQ for 1 week, vin number says it’s a 2021 and all paperwork. We love our 5th wheel. The inverter is a 1200 watt and it has 1 solar panel, that makes it a 2021 with 2020 parts. What say anyone? Note; I had a second (should have been 3rd panel and the lithium battery’s and a generator installed at the dealer). What say anyone? Also, the water heater is a 12 gallon not the instant on. This comes from the KZ site. What say anyone and thanks.
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Post by lynnmor on Dec 14, 2020 3:10:04 GMT -5
On the website it says this:
Due to continual research and advances, manufacturer reserves the right to change specifications, design, price and equipment without notice, and assumes no responsibility for any error on this website. Some items shown are not included as standard or optional equipment.
I would add that all the excess inventory will be consumed and a model year designation is just a suggestion.
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Post by laknox on Dec 14, 2020 10:49:19 GMT -5
On the website it says this: Due to continual research and advances, manufacturer reserves the right to change specifications, design, price and equipment without notice, and assumes no responsibility for any error on this website. Some items shown are not included as standard or optional equipment. I would add that all the excess inventory will be consumed and a model year designation is just a suggestion. Lawyer weasel-wording to CYA. Who was it on here that had a fresh water tank that was 40 instead of the advertised 60 gallons, or some such? THAT, is total b.s., and I'd've returned the unit once I found that out. That being said, if the yellow sticker said it had an X gal capacity and in reality, it had Y gals, that would be actual grounds for legal action, IMO. Pays to always read that. Lyle
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bobnmonica
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2020 GMC Diesel Denali Dully, Durango Gold MBQ 382
Posts: 101
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Post by bobnmonica on Dec 14, 2020 13:36:14 GMT -5
If the design and build quality wasn’t so good not to mention the floor plan that meet our yearish search, I would be mad. To me, the change should be up, not down, use your supplies and add to the build.
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Post by nvguy on Dec 14, 2020 23:08:47 GMT -5
RV builders have been doing this forever simply because of how parts are bought by RV builders and supplied by parts manufacturers (randomly). The year model designation is also somewhat fluid. I owned a Weekend Warrior for 18 months before it caught up with the calendar. We all need to remember when compared to the automotive industry, the production amounts of the RV industry is tiny, so some lapses are to be expected as every coach is somewhat semi custom.
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Post by joecamper on Dec 15, 2020 14:42:25 GMT -5
What does your dealer say when you point out these items?
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Post by jfspry58 on Dec 16, 2020 17:21:25 GMT -5
We have had our 2021 382 MBQ for 1 week, vin number says it’s a 2021 and all paperwork. We love our 5th wheel. The inverter is a 1200 watt and it has 1 solar panel, that makes it a 2021 with 2020 parts. What say anyone? Note; I had a second (should have been 3rd panel and the lithium battery’s and a generator installed at the dealer). What say anyone? Also, the water heater is a 12 gallon not the instant on. This comes from the KZ site. What say anyone and thanks. First, congrats on the new fifth wheel! We bought our 2021 333RLT 3 months ago. It came with the 12 gallon water heater, which was specified on the website for the 2020. It also had the same paint/decal scheme as the 2020. Now the website shows the on demand water heater and the new paint/decal scheme. I fully understand the disappointment with the solar panels, but I have heard a lot of mixed reports about the on demand water heaters. Some love them. Others hate them. Personally, we have never come close to running short of hot water with the 12 gallon and we normally treat showers and water usage pretty much like home when we have full hookups. The only suggestion I would have is to run it on both electricity and propane simultaneously and the recovery time is almost unnoticeable. Of course that may or may not be possible depending upon output from your solar panels. Good luck with the new camper and safe travels! Jay
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Post by Chuck on Dec 20, 2020 15:29:59 GMT -5
We have had our 2021 382 MBQ for 1 week, vin number says it’s a 2021 and all paperwork. We love our 5th wheel. The inverter is a 1200 watt and it has 1 solar panel, that makes it a 2021 with 2020 parts. What say anyone? Note; I had a second (should have been 3rd panel and the lithium battery’s and a generator installed at the dealer). What say anyone? Also, the water heater is a 12 gallon not the instant on. This comes from the KZ site. What say anyone and thanks. bobnmonica
We have a 2017 G384RLT built in Nov. 2016, another member of this form has a 2018 built in early 2017, only difference is the way their cabinet doors open... Another owner on this form bought a late 2018 G384RLT an he had different awnings an his bedroom walk in closest has different design on the sliding glass doors an control panel for his landing gear/legs... So within a year in the G384RLT's there were a number of changes, good bad or indifferent
RonC loves his on demand water heater but his Durango Gold or our didn't have it such three/four years ago, we do have solar hookups on the roof but no panels an I don't remember if they were an option till mid 2018 ...
Safe Travels
Chuck
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bobnmonica
Seasonal RV’er
2020 GMC Diesel Denali Dully, Durango Gold MBQ 382
Posts: 101
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Post by bobnmonica on Dec 25, 2020 2:14:25 GMT -5
Our first was a 2000 37S Pace Arrow, lived in her off and on for several years. We got her in 2003 and sold in 2020. Besides tires and brakes, the only mod was the instant hot water heater to replace the 6 gallon. During use, it refilled with cold water so we only got 3 or 4 usefull gallons of hot water. The instant solved this issue. The 12 gallon on the 382MBQ lasted a little longer but a Furrion instant one is sitting in my living room waiting to be installed. Merry Christmas to All
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Post by Chuck on Dec 26, 2020 18:20:17 GMT -5
Folks it's not only RV MFG that change up or use parts from a different year, almost all your Farm Tractor MFG for years have done the same thing ... You might have bought a brand new 1965 International but when you looked at the casting numbers they were made in 1964, I also remember seeing different part numbers on semi trucks made in different years an even different countries when the same mode of truck came off the production line two or three trucks behind the other ... Jeep was another MFG that use to change up parts all the time, they used up what ever was laying around an if they needed a part like a gear box or rear end, if it was last years run an they were producing this years mode they would use last years stuff ... I use to see them adjust doors on a jeep if it didn't fit a large block of wood an a 10pd hammer always did the trick Ugh !!!! But I also have to agree if the spects call for a 60gallon tank then that's what you should be getting an I almost believe if you were at a Kz rally an made a fuss about such I believe they may just ask you to come back after the rally an they would replace such ... I can't speak for them but I have seen them do stuff for owners that I wouldn't have even thought it was possible, they are customer driven at least at the factory, some of the dealers not so much ... Safe Travels Chuck
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Post by laknox on Dec 26, 2020 23:25:16 GMT -5
I agree about the tanks, Chuck. That's one thing that should =never= be changed, most especially because they aren't visible or easily accessible. The one guy here that had a 45 gal fresh tank with an advertised 60, IIRC, really does have reason to complain. If you're a boondocker more than a CG'er, that would be absolutely critical, IMO.
Lyle
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bobnmonica
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2020 GMC Diesel Denali Dully, Durango Gold MBQ 382
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Post by bobnmonica on Dec 29, 2020 0:39:04 GMT -5
Most people do not read how to use a instant hot water heater. You set your temp to how you want it like 105. Then, when you want hot water you turn on ONLY THE HOT WATER and it comes at the temperature you set it at. No mixing of hot and cold to get to the temp you want or need.
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Post by Chuck on Jan 1, 2021 15:40:22 GMT -5
The DW would like the instant hot water heater but I'm not telling her cuz that would cost me more money Ugh
Chuck
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bobnmonica
Seasonal RV’er
2020 GMC Diesel Denali Dully, Durango Gold MBQ 382
Posts: 101
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Post by bobnmonica on Feb 2, 2021 23:46:45 GMT -5
On the website it says this: Due to continual research and advances, manufacturer reserves the right to change specifications, design, price and equipment without notice, and assumes no responsibility for any error on this website. Some items shown are not included as standard or optional equipment. I would add that all the excess inventory will be consumed and a model year designation is just a suggestion. after a few weeks, I came to realize the items were not on the web site but on the official flier from them, yes I know, lawyer speek. I love our 382, it’s just a little disappointing, I think I would feel better if I at least got the 2000a inverter than the 1200a.
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Post by Chuck on Feb 3, 2021 14:35:41 GMT -5
Bob We all have made mods to our home on wheels, adding a larger inverter if you want one could be something in the future to think about along with the dozen other things you like to do if your like most of us Safe Travels Chuck
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bobnmonica
Seasonal RV’er
2020 GMC Diesel Denali Dully, Durango Gold MBQ 382
Posts: 101
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Post by bobnmonica on Feb 3, 2021 16:53:54 GMT -5
Let’s see, replaced the hot water heater to Furrion instant, installed 4 toppers, insulated all water lines in basement, installed wood shelves above sliding door and tv, installed Pepwave internet system, washer dryer installed, dish tv on roof not to mention how we ordered it with the generator and an extra solar panel. Our first trip from Nevada to Alaska is on hold until we can get there.
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Post by hedwigsrevenge on Feb 19, 2021 9:50:13 GMT -5
Yeah they definitely hide behind lawyerish answers. We were supposed to have a 40 gallon fresh tank, its only a 28. Flooring in ours is totally different than the model year claimed it should have been. People will tell you its the "name of the game" or "that's the industry" but I guarantee no one on here would settle if they bought a 2020 Chevy 2500 that had the same facia and engine/trans as the 2021. It would never fly to hear "we still had leftover less powerful engines from last year, so that's what you get." As long as we accept it, and defend it, we are complicit in the continuation of manufacturers doing what they want with no repercussions.
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Post by laknox on Feb 19, 2021 10:33:02 GMT -5
Yeah they definitely hide behind lawyerish answers. We were supposed to have a 40 gallon fresh tank, its only a 28. Flooring in ours is totally different than the model year claimed it should have been. People will tell you its the "name of the game" or "that's the industry" but I guarantee no one on here would settle if they bought a 2020 Chevy 2500 that had the same facia and engine/trans as the 2021. It would never fly to hear "we still had leftover less powerful engines from last year, so that's what you get." As long as we accept it, and defend it, we are complicit in the continuation of manufacturers doing what they want with no repercussions. Now, THAT is totally unacceptable. If/when I get another new rig, if I buy off the lot, I will bring a hose meter with me and demand that the fresh water tank be fully drained and re-filled with the meter on the hose. It =will= be a deal breaker if the tank is smaller than advertised. I'll do the same if I order one and, again, it will be a deal-breaker. I can't remember, but I believe that the yellow weight placard is supposed to have full water capacity listed on it, and that's definitely something any buyer should check. If the =placard= states capacity and weights for, in your case, a 40 gal tank, but it only has a 28 gal tank, then you've got grounds for misrepresentation, at best, and outright fraud, at worst. The mfr would need to make that right, or they'd be getting letters from their State's Attorney General. There was someone else on here a couple years ago that was complaining about the same thing. As I recently said, if you're a boondocker, this is absolutely critical. Lyle
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Post by hedwigsrevenge on Feb 19, 2021 16:13:52 GMT -5
Yeah, I didn't catch it or even think to think about it out until we were in a boondocking situation. I reached out to them and was told that I would have to take it back to my dealer to handle it. The dealer is in Texas and we're not. I thought I was imagining or going crazy with the amount of times I had to fill it, and so I filled all the way, as in spitting out of the filler neck, then drained into 7 gallon water containers. Filled 4 of them and was out. The placard says a full load of water equals 330lbs. Yeah they definitely hide behind lawyerish answers. We were supposed to have a 40 gallon fresh tank, its only a 28. Flooring in ours is totally different than the model year claimed it should have been. People will tell you its the "name of the game" or "that's the industry" but I guarantee no one on here would settle if they bought a 2020 Chevy 2500 that had the same facia and engine/trans as the 2021. It would never fly to hear "we still had leftover less powerful engines from last year, so that's what you get." As long as we accept it, and defend it, we are complicit in the continuation of manufacturers doing what they want with no repercussions. Now, THAT is totally unacceptable. If/when I get another new rig, if I buy off the lot, I will bring a hose meter with me and demand that the fresh water tank be fully drained and re-filled with the meter on the hose. It =will= be a deal breaker if the tank is smaller than advertised. I'll do the same if I order one and, again, it will be a deal-breaker. I can't remember, but I believe that the yellow weight placard is supposed to have full water capacity listed on it, and that's definitely something any buyer should check. If the =placard= states capacity and weights for, in your case, a 40 gal tank, but it only has a 28 gal tank, then you've got grounds for misrepresentation, at best, and outright fraud, at worst. The mfr would need to make that right, or they'd be getting letters from their State's Attorney General. There was someone else on here a couple years ago that was complaining about the same thing. As I recently said, if you're a boondocker, this is absolutely critical. Lyle
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Post by laknox on Feb 22, 2021 10:20:57 GMT -5
Yeah, I didn't catch it or even think to think about it out until we were in a boondocking situation. I reached out to them and was told that I would have to take it back to my dealer to handle it. The dealer is in Texas and we're not. I thought I was imagining or going crazy with the amount of times I had to fill it, and so I filled all the way, as in spitting out of the filler neck, then drained into 7 gallon water containers. Filled 4 of them and was out. The placard says a full load of water equals 330lbs. Now, THAT is totally unacceptable. If/when I get another new rig, if I buy off the lot, I will bring a hose meter with me and demand that the fresh water tank be fully drained and re-filled with the meter on the hose. It =will= be a deal breaker if the tank is smaller than advertised. I'll do the same if I order one and, again, it will be a deal-breaker. I can't remember, but I believe that the yellow weight placard is supposed to have full water capacity listed on it, and that's definitely something any buyer should check. If the =placard= states capacity and weights for, in your case, a 40 gal tank, but it only has a 28 gal tank, then you've got grounds for misrepresentation, at best, and outright fraud, at worst. The mfr would need to make that right, or they'd be getting letters from their State's Attorney General. There was someone else on here a couple years ago that was complaining about the same thing. As I recently said, if you're a boondocker, this is absolutely critical. Lyle Even then, at 330 lbs, per the placard, your tank would only be 38 gallons (330 / 8.34 = 38). From =my= experience, the vent lines on my rig, are on the =side= of the tank, as is the pickup; G*d forbid they use a "proper" tank with a pickup sump, let alone vents out the top. Even though the spec is 60 gallons, I'm sure I only have about 55 useable, at best. I did have a dealer re-route the vent lines up, and over, the frame, as I was losing water out of them which, IMO, cost me about 10 gallons lost on our first boondocking trip. I ended up siphoning 2 7 gal "blue cubes" into the fresh tank so we'd have enough water for cleanup and camp break down. I'd have the dealer pull the belly cover and see where the vents and pickup are, as well as measure the physical size of the tank. Wouldn't surprise me that you actually have a "40 gallon" tank, but only ~30 usable. My warranty's up, and I've seriously thought about pulling the fresh tank and putting the same size tank back in, but with vents in the top and a pickup sump. If the pickup sticks through the belly a couple inches, Imma not worryin' 'bout dat! :-) Lyle
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