dbear
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Post by dbear on Oct 23, 2019 21:28:29 GMT -5
Hey all. Possibly looking for a 5er TH for extended living (maybe 3-4 months) so I can take my HD Heritage with us (DW). I really like everything about the V3411TK especially the GVW, floorplan, and <40'. The only exception its 2795# NCC rating. I remember reading somewhere in my forum travels that one should figure on 1000#/person of stuff. Between that and the bike, it doesn't leave much room for any propane, water or gas for the genny, or to add another bike on occasion. So my questions are: Is that 1000#/person accurate - already includes some water weight, food, clothes, gas, propane,...? Any way to increase the NCC? Thanks.
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Post by kaboom on Oct 25, 2019 0:59:34 GMT -5
Since the DW and I both have Harley's and I have weighed at a scale loaded for a 4 day trip. I can say your number of #1,000 per person is really low if the bikes are included.
We don't carry more then maybe 5 gallons of fresh water. Just enough to use the toilet and wash hands. The grey and black tanks are normally empty. I also only keep about 5 gallons in the generator tank and another 5 gallons in the fuel station tank.
With food, clothes, beer/wine, propane, batteries, folding chairs, beer/wine, BBQ, beer/wine and all the other little things the DW wants to bring the weight adds up fast.
Our Venom 3311TQ is similar in length but has a ccw of #3,300 and a gvwr of #16,000 and we are right at the gvwr loaded for a long weekend of riding.
Remember the RV will be heavier than the factory UVW as listed in the brochure.
Good luck.
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dbear
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Post by dbear on Oct 25, 2019 7:25:24 GMT -5
Thanks kaboom. I was figuring the bike separately. I think I get it now that any stuff/person weight includes common things as well as personal items. Would 1200#/person be more realistic a number just for guesstimating?
Anybody ever swap out axles, suspension, tires,..and recertify gvw (if that's even possible) to add NCC? Probably not cost effective(?) vs buying another model, but I was wanting to stay in that 39'-40', or less. Seems like units with similar floorplan and higher NCC all come with 3rd axle & additional 6'-8' of length.
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Post by kaboom on Oct 25, 2019 12:47:48 GMT -5
If I take the bikes, chocks and tie downs out of my numbers then I come in close to the #1000 per person or maybe just under that.
I'm just wondering if KZ rated the GVWR under 15k to avoid the customer needing a special commercial class of license?
Here in Calif. If It's 15K or more you need a special license. That adds a lot of extra time and effort to obtain and maintain.
I think that what the sticker reads is the limit. However It would be interesting to look at the frame demension's, axle weight rating, wheel and tire rating.
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dbear
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Post by dbear on Oct 25, 2019 13:58:20 GMT -5
NYS doesn't have the non-commercial A license. I do have the R endorsement for MH over 26k pounds, but the reg isn't clear as to trailer weights. It would seem rather silly to be able to legally drive a 40k# MH towing a 9.9k# trailer, but not an 8k# 1-ton towing an 18k# trailer. I've posed the question to a few DMV employees/managers and they were clueless too. Of course, these were the same folks who hadn't ever heard of the R endorsement, and tried to tell me I would have to take both the written and driving tests, despite that I currently held a valid class B CDL.
If I have any issues, I'll claim ignorance. Their ignorance.
I guess I'll have to keep looking and thinking about things. The V3815TK is only 4' longer, but has a NCC of 4640# (3rd axle). Maybe I could live with that.
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