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Post by capemayal on Dec 14, 2017 20:39:35 GMT -5
'18 Gold 380FLF
I have the antenna booster with a button to amplify the rooftop antenna signal.
When pushing the button on, the LED flickers and goes out. The fuse is okay.
I'm trying to understand the cable/sat wiring.
KZ said, when using a portable sat to put the coax to the cable outlet, behind the tv attach the receiver's coax in to the "b" outlet on the wall. Very confusing.
Why not use the SAT outlet on the outside panel?
Obviously, the owner's manual is pretty much useless.
Thanks,
Al
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Post by lynnmor on Dec 15, 2017 9:29:50 GMT -5
'18 Gold 380FLF I have the antenna booster with a button to amplify the rooftop antenna signal. When pushing the button on, the LED flickers and goes out. The fuse is okay. Sounds like a bad push button switch. Another possibility is that you are sending dish power into the antenna circuit, they need to be kept separate. I'm trying to understand the cable/sat wiring. KZ said, when using a portable sat to put the coax to the cable outlet, behind the tv attach the receiver's coax in to the "b" outlet on the wall. Very confusing. Why not use the SAT outlet on the outside panel? You should have both a sat and cable connectors outside of the RV. Connect park cable to the cable inlet and the dish to the other. If you have only one, then you need to swap as needed. It is possible that they are labeled wrong. Obviously, the owner's manual is pretty much useless. Of course they are useless. |
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Post by Chuck on Dec 15, 2017 12:43:49 GMT -5
capemayal You have not the only one that has had trouble understanding the antenna setup. at the Kz rally last year they explained the setup to me when changing my outside antenna ... The tech stated that when hooking up a satellite dish you needed to change the jumper that goes between the two small panels. In other words you have to change the jumper from "A" to "B" on the one panel an when using cable turn of the antenna amplifier/booster. Then you can hook you satellite dish to the outside panel, I agree the manual is not the best an I was confused at first as well to explained, I later found out that my antenna was bad, Kz tech stated that he had never seen an antenna go bad in all the many years he had worked on RV's  The problem is that the people who install these things are the one's who tell the people writing the manuals how things work. Thus the person writing the manual interprets what the tech tells them in their own language an try's to put correct English into their writings. So now you have a person who knows nothing of how a system working's are trying to put in writing what he thinks the tech has told him  If you think this manual is bad, you should try to interpret a service manual for a amateur radio who was built in Japan or China or Korea, interpreted from the tech to the writer in either country an then into English for those countries that use such. Even the user manuals are so screwed up it almost takes a rocket scientist to read such Ugh ... Safe Travels  Chuck |
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Post by capemayal on Dec 15, 2017 18:51:40 GMT -5
Chinda - Japan - Korea! They never send the 5 year old to read and assemble! LOL
I talked to KZ today. The instructions to use a separate receiver, or watch the same show in bedroom were so confusing it was nearly useless to even attempt it. I consider myself extremely computer savy, so you'd think this would be easy. Too much trouble for me. I don't know why its so complicated.
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Post by Chuck on Dec 16, 2017 13:57:54 GMT -5
capemayal That's why you should come to the Kz rally, the techs who know this stuff can point it out or fix it so it's right... As well a number of us like ronc, jetzen, rvdude an myself can fix it really good for you  Or discuss how to fix it for four or five hours an a number of refreshing drinks  Safe Travels Chuck |
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Post by capemayal on Dec 16, 2017 17:58:41 GMT -5
capemayal That's why you should come to the Kz rally, the techs who know this stuff can point it out or fix it so it's right... As well a number of us like ronc, jetzen, rvdude an myself can fix it really good for you Or discuss how to fix it for four or five hours an a number of refreshing drinks Safe Travels Chuck That's all well and good, and you're right. I appreciate all the help, as we all do, that we give each other. However, should I, would I, like to attend the rallies? Yep. Sometimes, being able to is the issue. Our intention is to make the next one. |
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Post by ronc on Dec 16, 2017 19:10:35 GMT -5
I don’t want to add to the confusion but here’s what I think I know about how this works. First, as you already know ... the power button is to power the “over the air” antenna mounted on your roof. As you are also aware, that light (when the button is pressed) should go on and stay on. When it is on, it will generate a signal that will interfere with the signal from the cable connection on the outside of your rig (on the water control panel compartmen), so the power should only be on when using the external over the air antenna. I have never used the satellite connection that is adjacent to the exterior cable connection, also in the water control panel, so I can’t comment on how that works. There is another satellite connection on your roof. My roof mounted satellite dish (Winegard Travl’r) uses that roof mounted satellite connection. My satellite provider is DirecTV and we have a Genie in the living room and a mini Genie in the bedroom. They work together and I can play shows recorded on either tv and can watch different channels at the same time on the two tv’s. My system and setup has worked perfectly from day one. My DirecTV equipment was set up by a DirecTV technician who came to my 5th wheel and set it all up. After talking to many others, I realize that my experience was much better than many others and we may have been a little lucky. I hope you get your issues worked out soon. Chuck makes a good point about the rally ... you will get outstanding service from th KZ techs and they will solve your issue. Travel safe!
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Post by capemayal on Dec 16, 2017 20:11:10 GMT -5
Over the years, I've used various dishes, roof top, portable... Never had a problem. Same with the antenna power switch, and I've been doing this for 20 yrs. But, this set-up is the first time I've encountered it. I don't know who thought it up,but its really a PIA. I'll get it sorted out, but, I just can't see why a SAT connection is on the outside, if it can't be used. Maybe I'm missing something, who knows? LOL
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Post by rvdude on Dec 16, 2017 21:21:36 GMT -5
The tech at the rally repaired my wiring so that I can hook up on the outside where it says satellite, and on the inside where it says satellite, and actually have satellite reception as one would expect after hooking it up that way. I could never get reception at all until he fixed some crossed wiring. Good luck with your problem.
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Post by Chuck on Dec 17, 2017 9:31:42 GMT -5
Thinking about this an rvdude jogged my mind here, "Charlie" the RV tech ask me if I was going to use the satellite function while he had the antenna amplifier/booster down an changing it out, thus he may have checked in my system if there was a crossed wire there which he found not to be true ... You should have a wiring diagram/schematic in the back of your owners manual that shows the antenna setup. As I sated in another post my wring an antenna booster was correct per the wiring diagram/schematic provided in my manual, the antenna was bad Also thinking back you stated "When pushing the button on, the LED flickers and goes out" this should not happen, the LED should stay on when you engage the antenna booster, thus you may have a problem with your booster an this may be the root of your overall problem, just guessing here  Again I agree these trailer manuals are not the best, they are more of a cover all an not specific to one's trailer at all Ugh  johnr, lynnmor, Edd505, RdRmr, brmike an idea's Safe Travels Chuck |
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Post by RdRmr on Dec 17, 2017 14:15:35 GMT -5
capemayal,
Here is a generic diagram of the satellite/antenna wiring. Is it 100% correct, NO. I can only guess all units are configured this way. If your booster LED is flickering when you turn it on I can only guess you have a 12V feed problem.
TV wiring 2016 Durango 315RKD.pdf (371.91 KB)
What is not mentioned is the amount of signal loss through the splitters. A two way looses 3 1/2db (decibels) at each outlet, a four way looses 7db and a five way and above looses 10db. So if you have a five way in line with a two way you have lost 10 and a half db to start just from the equipment. If your input signal is only +5db your output at the tv is -5. The lower the signal the fuzzier the picture. Thought I had a bad cable in the wall in the beginning but it turn out to be signal loss. The cable systems at RV parks are marginal at best. I had a two way splitter behind the radio (not shown on the diagram) feeding it and the main tv, it was fed off of a five way, once I removed the two way out of the system I had enough signal for a good picture on the main tv, depending on signal quality from the RV parks cable system. Most of the time I use a portable satellite that I can move around depending on what is in the way. Hope this helps. Happy Campin.... |
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Post by johnr on Dec 18, 2017 7:54:02 GMT -5
I don't have any ideas... I've never tried to use a satellite dish on a camper.
I do agree that the booster light should stay lit. The fact that it comes on and fades out would tell me that it's not a fuse issue because then the light wouldn't come on at all. It could be a bad booster, but do you even use the booster with a satellite system?
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Post by lynnmor on Dec 18, 2017 8:21:45 GMT -5
I don't have any ideas... I've never tried to use a satellite dish on a camper. I do agree that the booster light should stay lit. The fact that it comes on and fades out would tell me that it's not a fuse issue because then the light wouldn't come on at all. It could be a bad booster, but do you even use the booster with a satellite system? A satellite connection should be a separate cable from the outside to where you connect the satellite box. The typical Winegard wall plate, that many call a booster, is where the outside cable and the rooftop antenna are connected. The switch not only turns the power on and off to the amplifier in the antenna, it also switches the TV connections between the antenna and the park cable. Since there is a splitter within the wallplate that provides a TV connection thru the plate and also on the inside for a second TV in another room, that entire system would be problematic for use as a satellite connection. That tiny led lamp should stay on when the switch is on, but it may be a faulty lamp, switch or wiring problem. If the wiring is proven good, then the wallplate needs replacement. My comments above pertain only to a Winegard system or one that is a copy. I don't know exactly what was installed in your RV. |
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Post by capemayal on Dec 18, 2017 9:33:20 GMT -5
I agree lynnmor. Like I said, I've never seen a setup like this. The switch, yes, but all these different wires and jacks. Me thinks someone must have not gotten enough sleep before they planned this. LOL.
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Post by Itully on Dec 18, 2017 9:37:16 GMT -5
Capemayal,
The diagram RdRmr included is what was in my RV as well. My system has worked as noted and was wired properly (as far as I can tell since everything works correctly)
I hook up the satellite dish outside to Satellite input in the basement panel. Inside behind the living room TV I needed to add a Coax cable from the Satellite output (F I think) to the dish receiver, then an HDMI cable from the receiver to the TV. (We only have one satellite receiver and use it in the Living room) In this case the booster is irrelevant as it is not in the satellite signal path.
When I have used cable in the past, I hooked it up to Cable input outside, inside the TV's (Bedroom and Living room) were already hooked up with Coax, I didn't need to add or move anything. When watching cable turn off the booster (mine is behind the bedroom TV) so it does not interfere with the cable signal. When no cable is available and you want to watch from the over the air (OTA) rooftop antenna simply turn the booster on.. no need to move any wires.
When I use the booster the light stays on. If it flickering then something is wrong. Since your unit is still under warranty I'd take it in for repair.
Good luck,
Larkin
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Post by tom1500 on Dec 20, 2017 10:54:03 GMT -5
Interesting about the technicians being savy. I have had my rig back to both the dealer and the factory for cable tv issues. the answer i get is 'we do not have the equipment to test the system"
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Post by Chuck on Dec 20, 2017 12:01:53 GMT -5
Tom "Charlie" my name sake didn't have any test equipment at all, he started with the living room TV, "no picture", looked at the Bedroom TV "No Picture" both with the booster on with the outside antenna on the RV... Next he swapped out the booster, checked both TV's, still no picture, said it has to be the antenna, swapped out the antenna got a picture an 43 channels  "Charlie Stated that was the first Wineguard antenna he had ever seen go bad int eh 14 years he had worked at Kz Chuck |
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Post by Chuck on Dec 20, 2017 14:17:50 GMT -5
Over on the Montana owners site there is about the same discussion regarding this subject, you might look over there as well, which may give you some more idea's www.montanaowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72307As you can see Kz owners are not the only people having these types of problems with TV hookups Safe Travels Chuck |
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Post by capemayal on Jan 31, 2018 17:03:59 GMT -5
Capemayal, The diagram RdRmr included is what was in my RV as well. My system has worked as noted and was wired properly (as far as I can tell since everything works correctly) I hook up the satellite dish outside to Satellite input in the basement panel. Inside behind the living room TV I needed to add a Coax cable from the Satellite output (F I think) to the dish receiver, then an HDMI cable from the receiver to the TV. (We only have one satellite receiver and use it in the Living room) In this case the booster is irrelevant as it is not in the satellite signal path. When I have used cable in the past, I hooked it up to Cable input outside, inside the TV's (Bedroom and Living room) were already hooked up with Coax, I didn't need to add or move anything. When watching cable turn off the booster (mine is behind the bedroom TV) so it does not interfere with the cable signal. When no cable is available and you want to watch from the over the air (OTA) rooftop antenna simply turn the booster on.. no need to move any wires. When I use the booster the light stays on. If it flickering then something is wrong. Since your unit is still under warranty I'd take it in for repair. Good luck, Larkin |
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Post by Edd505 on Jan 31, 2018 22:14:07 GMT -5
Capemayal, The diagram RdRmr included is what was in my RV as well. My system has worked as noted and was wired properly (as far as I can tell since everything works correctly) I hook up the satellite dish outside to Satellite input in the basement panel. Inside behind the living room TV I needed to add a Coax cable from the Satellite output (F I think) to the dish receiver, then an HDMI cable from the receiver to the TV. (We only have one satellite receiver and use it in the Living room) In this case the booster is irrelevant as it is not in the satellite signal path. When I have used cable in the past, I hooked it up to Cable input outside, inside the TV's (Bedroom and Living room) were already hooked up with Coax, I didn't need to add or move anything. When watching cable turn off the booster (mine is behind the bedroom TV) so it does not interfere with the cable signal. When no cable is available and you want to watch from the over the air (OTA) rooftop antenna simply turn the booster on.. no need to move any wires. When I use the booster the light stays on. If it flickering then something is wrong. Since your unit is still under warranty I'd take it in for repair. Good luck, Larkin Your correct. I have gone through my system with muti-issues, booster replacement, bad cable ends, and a dead TV. |
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