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Post by jetzen on Jul 21, 2017 0:00:03 GMT -5
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Post by Chuck on Jul 21, 2017 9:33:12 GMT -5
Good to know, thank you for the information  Chuck and Hildi out and about |
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Post by ronc on Sept 7, 2017 11:04:07 GMT -5
I was experiencing this when stopped for long periods of time. I put in one qt of the recommended fork oil and the noise has stopped. Additionally, I now carry 24 one foot sections of 2x10 untreated pine that I use to put under the legs. I usually use 3 or 4 per leg. This causes the leg to be extended less and is therefore stiffer ... reducing the movement when parked. This has made our 381REF much steadier than it was before. Thanks Jetzen for the good info.
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Post by Edd505 on Sept 8, 2017 21:30:55 GMT -5
Mine creek when retracting. I was in one site this summer that the 5W went a little out of level. I was leaving soon so lived with it. I didn't want to try with out having the TV under it and it was in a shop being repaired. In that situation can you just hit the auto level and let it do it's thing? |
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Post by jetzen on Sept 9, 2017 8:15:15 GMT -5
Edd505,
I'm going to try to answer your questions,
1) before retracting your landing gear make sure the rams are clean. Make sure that your hydraulic system reservoir is full by checking with all the slides closed and landing gear retracted.
2) when leveling try not to over extend the rams by placing wood or those leveling pads under the ram pads.
3) don't understand the reasoning behind having the tow vehicle (TV) under the trailer while leveling.
4) you can "tweak" the level of the trailer while set up at your camp site by hitting the auto level button, however the initial leveling should be done with all the slides retracted. This will cause less stress on both the main trailer frame and on the slide out mechanisms.
5) you can use the approved Lippert Anti-stiction/ Fork oil regardless if you are having a problem or not, and to top the reservoir if needed. |
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Post by Edd505 on Sept 10, 2017 14:40:37 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply, On the initial auto level it starts with the front jacks front to back (normally dips down and then comes up)after unhitching. Then the center & rear deploy and side to side leveling is done. Now a week or so and it's not level as doors close or open. At that point if I hit auto level will it do the entire cycle. retracting the center and rear, the start the front to back? I have used the manual control to level at this point. Just wonder what would happen if I hit the auto and not use the manual.
I have read wiping the rams and spray silicone can help the noise, I'll try that next time I hookup. I'll add the stiction fluid as a preventative, can't hurt anything.
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Post by jetzen on Sept 10, 2017 21:31:13 GMT -5
Edd505, the fork oil/anti-stiction fluid is the only approved fix for the problem of
a) popping noise from hydraulic leveling jacks b) loosing level
if you find that you need to re-level (tweak) just hit the auto level button.
two questions specific to your coach
1) what color are your hydraulic jacks black or silver/ how are they identified level-up or ground control.?
2) what control panel on the baggage door do you have ? does it look like mine? click on photo to enlarge
I'm still on a learning curve with mine however after I unhitch I hit the auto level button and it levels but I have never seen the nose dive. It deploys the other 4 jacks waits a few seconds and then levels front to back then side to side. I have heard of the older systems/older programing doing the nose dive thing at first to find itself, mine does not. If I need to re-level I hit the auto level button and the system only does what it needs to do to get the trailer back into level. |
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Post by Chuck on Sept 11, 2017 13:29:43 GMT -5
Edd505 If my unit is leveled after I have unhitched an sits for a day or two, I just depress the auto-level again an it tweaks the trailer, The front doesn't dip like it would when 1st leveling it just makes minor adjustments Chuck |
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Post by ronc on Sept 12, 2017 20:48:50 GMT -5
Everything Jetzen said was great advice. In addition to that, resetting the "level" on your rig can be very helpful. I have done this and used the anti stiction fork oil and use 1 foot pieces of 2x10 untreated pine to reduce the amount of ram extension needed to achieve level. All of this has resulted in a rig that levels nearly perfectly every time ... no door swing, no microwave door swing, no popping.
To reset the "level" on your level up system do the following: 1. Level your rig using the automatic leveling function. 2. Manually tweak the level until it is perfectly level. I use a carpenter's level. 3. Turn the power off to the level up control ... with the power OFF ... press the front level button 10 times then press the rear level button 10 times ... the system will beep and ask if you want to set the level by pressing ENTER. Once you do that, it will reset your level set point to the current level position you just set. This may need to be done a couple of times before you get it just right, but once you do the auto level will level your rig perfectly every time, your doors won't swing and the popping noise will be gone.
Happy camping!
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Post by ronc on Sept 12, 2017 20:50:20 GMT -5
For Jetzen ... what's different between the black and silver jacks?
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Post by Edd505 on Sept 12, 2017 21:13:32 GMT -5
jetzen the picture looks identical to mine minus the inverter. It's the Ground Control 3. Not sure what you mean by what color are the jacks? The legs are silver, I don't recall the mountings color. I'll be hitching up in the morning and I'll look closer.
check. thanks I just did not know if the system would start all over or just tweak back to level.
ronc what you said on color. Shut the power to the levelers off? Just turn the battery switch? (Red in jetzen's picture) I'll try the reset whan I get to camp tomorrow.
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Post by jetzen on Sept 13, 2017 7:40:45 GMT -5
For Jetzen ... what's different between the black and silver jacks? I guess I should have been more clear. Not the ram portion of the jack but the jack body black or silver. The black jack body is the old level up jacks and they are suspect to heat absorbtion causing them to leak down, loose level and creak.
At the rally Lippert noticed that George had the black jacks and I thought that they were going to replace/warranty them. I don't think they did. I think they did the fork oil and told him to try that first.
I have the silver jacks and had the curb side middle jack replaced because it was leaking internally (jack would deploy while retracted), and the fork oil added.
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Post by jetzen on Sept 13, 2017 8:04:55 GMT -5
jetzen the picture looks identical to mine minus the inverter. It's the Ground Control 3. Not sure what you mean by what color are the jacks? The legs are silver, I don't recall the mountings color. I'll be hitching up in the morning and I'll look closer. check. thanks I just did not know if the system would start all over or just tweak back to level. ronc what you said on color. Shut the power to the levelers off? Just turn the battery switch? (Red in jetzen's picture) I'll try the reset whan I get to camp tomorrow. There are different programing updates depending on exactly what ground control version you have. When I initially auto level after unhitching my trailer does not do the nose dive thing like most do, so I am assuming I have a newer version ground control or a newer version of the programing or both. On the older versions the trailer would nose dive so that the electronic level would see movement in a specific direction.
After I unhitch and push the auto level button all the other 4 jacks deploy with the street side rear being the last to touch ground. Once that happens there is a pause for about 10 seconds and then it will auto level and the nose will only go down if it needs to be leveled front to back, most often it goes up. Now this may be a coincidence but I think it is a programing/hardware difference as they evolve they work a little better.
I have also had an update through my phone then into the MY RV module. The phone alerted me of an update, it was related to the LCI app and the next time I used the app I had to wait because it was sending an update to the MY RV module. Don't know what it updated but that kind of startled me.
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Post by ronc on Sept 13, 2017 8:38:27 GMT -5
jetzen the picture looks identical to mine minus the inverter. It's the Ground Control 3. Not sure what you mean by what color are the jacks? The legs are silver, I don't recall the mountings color. I'll be hitching up in the morning and I'll look closer. check. thanks I just did not know if the system would start all over or just tweak back to level. ronc what you said on color. Shut the power to the levelers off? Just turn the battery switch? (Red in jetzen's picture) I'll try the reset whan I get to camp tomorrow. The power I am referring to is the control box for the level up system. Don't turn anything else off. |
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Post by Chuck on Sept 17, 2017 12:55:47 GMT -5
jetzen the picture looks identical to mine minus the inverter. It's the Ground Control 3. Not sure what you mean by what color are the jacks? The legs are silver, I don't recall the mountings color. I'll be hitching up in the morning and I'll look closer. check. thanks I just did not know if the system would start all over or just tweak back to level. ronc what you said on color. Shut the power to the levelers off? Just turn the battery switch? (Red in jetzen's picture) I'll try the reset whan I get to camp tomorrow. The power I am referring to is the control box for the level up system. Don't turn anything else off. My system is like jetzen's but a few months older, my front dips, then the curb side back jacks go down an then the drivers side jacks go down, the trailer waits a second or two and then levels it's self front to back. press the front level button 10 times then press the rear level button 10 times because I can't see such on the LED screen ... Will have to read my manual again to see how this is down with the newer LCI controllers, Like jetzen I had a update on my APP an now it seems to work allot better were before i had to fight with the APP most times...I have to say it's a steep learning curve for an old guy  Chuck |
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Post by ronc on Sept 18, 2017 10:54:37 GMT -5
Chuck ... doesn't your Level Up controller have a front, rear, lt side and rt side buttons? I ask, because without those, how would you manually level the rig? On my Level Up control panel it has those 4 buttons arranged in a diamond pattern and when the power is on, pressing any one of those causes the jacks to EXTEND ... if I want to RETRACT them, I have to press the retract button which will light up ... then when pressing any one of the 4 buttons the selected jack will RETRACT. I didn't look at your system, but it may be very different than mine. Here is YouTube video that shows how mine works. The control panel shown in the video is the same one I have. This is also the one that I was describing when explaining how to reset the "level" position that the Level Up auto level will seek. www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJLFoZfY1Hs |
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Post by jetzen on Sept 18, 2017 12:03:58 GMT -5
Chuck ... doesn't your Level Up controller have a front, rear, lt side and rt side buttons? I ask, because without those, how would you manually level the rig? On my Level Up control panel it has those 4 buttons arranged in a diamond pattern and when the power is on, pressing any one of those causes the jacks to EXTEND ... if I want to RETRACT them, I have to press the retract button which will light up ... then when pressing any one of the 4 buttons the selected jack will RETRACT. I didn't look at your system, but it may be very different than mine. Here is YouTube video that shows how mine works. The control panel shown in the video is the same one I have. This is also the one that I was describing when explaining how to reset the "level" position that the Level Up auto level will seek. www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJLFoZfY1HsChuck and I do not have Level-up we have Ground Control which is a newer version of the same thing. That is why I ask Edd505 what color his jacks are and what kind of control panel he had on his battery comp door. The version of Ground Control that I have is a different/updated version than what Chuck and Edd505 have, which is different than the level up that you have, that is different than the level up that was on Georges Durango. If we need to manually level from side to side we use the phone app or the MY RV controller on the inside.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkSYQyUxH0g
This video is for both Ground Control electric and hydraulic systems
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Post by ronc on Sept 18, 2017 12:33:59 GMT -5
Jetzen ... that is completely different than what I have. I don't recall Chuck's rig having the square tube front legs with the pins, but maybe I just missed it.
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Post by jetzen on Sept 18, 2017 13:34:37 GMT -5
Jetzen ... that is completely different than what I have. I don't recall Chuck's rig having the square tube front legs with the pins, but maybe I just missed it. Yes it is. You and George have Level-up. George has black jacks, you have silver. Edd505, Chuck and I have hydraulic Ground Control. Ground Control has the small mini controller. Read my post it states "This video is for both Ground Control electric and hydraulic systems". Watch the video it has both electric and hydraulic systems featured. It is my understanding that when they went to the mini control pad they also changed the name to Ground Control. They all do the same thing. |
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Post by jetzen on Sept 18, 2017 13:41:13 GMT -5
Square front jacks are electric while round front jacks are hydraulic.
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