dragonflight, some very good ideas and things they should be doing/offering and eventually some manufacturers will. The problem however is at least 2 fold, there have been RV manufacturers that have done exactly what you have mentioned built a quality coach stood behind their product only to have the company fail because they were extremely expensive and priced themselves out of the market. Secondly as long as the consumer accepts the crap they give us the manufacturers will not change. There are still companies out there that build a quality RV, unfortunately I can't afford one so I picked the least of the evils. I swore by Keystone products having owned several, my last one a 2005 Montana I had for 12 years, they are junk today compared to then focusing more on "bling" than quality construction. The KZ however for right now still build a pretty good product (the lesser of the evils). If you look at ALL the high end 5th wheels the only thing you are getting for your money is bling in fact they are assembled pretty bad DRV, Augusta, Landmark, VanLeigh, Montana, Redwood. The Forest River products and the rest of the Heartlands products are the worst, they can't even survive a 4 day RV show without coming apart. There is only one manufacturer that is truly a quality manufacturer and that would be Spacecraft, however to get what I have in my KZ it would have been 3x as much, $180,000. Would it have been 3x's as good.........I doubt it.
I have replaced absolutely everything below the frame on my Spree. I welded frame cracks in four places. I pointed out these things and many, many more issues at the factory. Thru my efforts, they did change at least one thing, but the trailers are now being built even cheaper. The only thing that we can expect is that everything will be done to reduce costs.
This is were the national rally comes into play. It is an opportunity to meet with the people from the factory to resolve issues with your unit and to suggest upgrades so they can build a better product.
The DW and I went to a RV show in January, we looked thought a ton of TT an 5th wheels as jetzen stated most can't even survive a 4 day RV show without coming apart, loose door handles, loose cabinet doors, lights burnt out, trim strips loose or even missing Ugh ...
We then came across the trailer we now own, (a D384RLT) we were impressed on well it was holding up were others as I stated other falling apart, were others felt cramped an dark the D394FLT felt bright, warm and room to spare. The only problem I saw after many people had been thought our trailer was a bad cabinet hinge over the TV, no loose doors, no trim falling down and the unit just felt right....
Sitting in the trailer be bought (not saying we bought it) we heard people over and over say how well the trailer was built, the room it had and not see things loose, broken or missing
Were there be problems, like any trailer I do not care which brand even the $150K ones I'm sure, there always is, will they be major I hope not, will there be minor sure ....
The only two things that i would like to talk to the factory reps about is why they didn't lower the awning an overhead door light on the main slide so there would be room to put a slide topped on ....
The other is when the step is lowered for entry the right upper part of the step support hits the tire skirt/finder, this is not a biggy, but I wonder down the road if this will be a major ware or brake point .....
I am trying to talk the DW into going to the KZ Rally in August, it's a pretty hard sell right now but I am really working on it so I can park side of jetzen and his D384FLT
I have to say that looking over my new 5th wheel and reading some of the post here that I believe Kz is listening to owners.
Why do I say this, go back an read some of the older posts on this reflector/site even from 2015, 2016 I see changes in my unit that owners were taking about. Like lynnmor stated he voiced his opinion at the Kz Rally and Kz listen, as jetzen stated if they were to build a product with all the top of the line stuff most people could not afford such, even then I'm sure there would be problems.
I watch a U tube video, the gentleman was showing high end 5th wheels, one was a Montana and the other was Grand Design, I thought I was looking at my 5th wheel except maybe a few minor difference's. The gentleman was pointing out the difference's of low end 5th wheels to high end 5th wheels. Per his comments I must have a high end 5th wheel LOL. Why, the comments he made about high end 5th wheels was for the most part in my G384FLT. But like jetzen stated I paid allot less than what they wanted for the high end 5th wheels and got for the most part got the same thing only difference was the brand name LOL.
The difference's between the low end trailer and the high end was of course the frame, then the hard ware such as plastic fossets, toilets, storage area, axles. The high end trailers had large storage areas, larger frames, all hardware was metal, toilets were not plastic, showers were all one unit no seems like in lower end units. But as he stated, in the higher end units they didn't worry about weight thus the upper end hardware an furniture in the 5th wheels. The other point made was that the walls in the low end trailers and high end trailer were the same.
So why the long post, I believe the more you pay now days the more you get to a point, I have a spare tire, I have a bigger frame, I have LED lights, better axles, do I have a MOR/ryde Pin box, yes, but I do not have the MOR/ryde suspension, no, do I have the top of the line tires, no, could I have bought such, yes, but at a cost.
But I do see changes in the Kz product, yes, but I have to say i do not see such in other MFG of 5th wheels and what people complain about, are their product perfect, no, but at least they are listening.
I do wish that we had a Kz rep openly monitoring and respond to questions on this reflector, I know of one brand of travel trailers that is doing this. I believe it would enhance their commitment to their customer base, possibly increase their sales because of their commitment.
I will ask if they can do such when we attend the Kz rally, this should not be a person that people can wine about how bad their 5th wheel or TT is, but to answer questions about the workings of one's trailer either in the back-round or openly on this site if possible ..