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Post by laknox on May 6, 2020 10:41:00 GMT -5
That Diesel Kleene-Centane Boost looks like a good product! The Bio fuel issue is all Greek to me? I'll leave that alone for now. Oh, the aux transfer tank is on my wish list, that might be a while, I'm tapped out! There was an extensive study done under lab conditions, about diesel fuel additives a number of years ago. Here is a link to the pdf file of the test results: link. IIRC, the #1 additive doesn't seem to be available any more. On edit: I stand corrected. The Opti-Lube XPD =is= available. Not as cheap as Diesel Kleen, but =much= more effective, if that test is to be believed. Best price on Opti-Lube is to buy direct and pay shipping. No tax, whereas if you buy via Amazon, you'll pay tax and a price that more than makes up for the shipping if buying direct. Ends up to be < $3 / 25 gal, if my calcs are correct. Lyle |
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Post by laknox on May 6, 2020 10:43:49 GMT -5
Some years ago I got a tankful of fuel that caused my 6.7 Ford diesel to rattle like the old ones, a sure sign of cetane being too low. I have been using Diesel-Kleen ever since. Bio-diesel in small quantities is helpful as a lubricant for the high pressure fuel pump, in high quantities it is only helpful to lube the wallets of soybean growers. The bio that I used was =all= recycled oil from restaurants and institutional kitchens; stuff that would otherwise be discarded. Not a drop of "fresh" oil was used. At the time, there were 2 or 3 manufacturers in AZ and all were using recycled oil. It's actually pretty easy to make it, just need the space to have several 55 gal drums. :-) Lyle |
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Post by Edd505 on May 6, 2020 23:17:44 GMT -5
That Diesel Kleene-Centane Boost looks like a good product! The Bio fuel issue is all Greek to me? I'll leave that alone for now. Oh, the aux transfer tank is on my wish list, that might be a while, I'm tapped out! Bio diesel is part vegetable oil, the emblem on the side of my Ford says B20, that means it is designed to use up to 20% veggie oil.
laknax: that sounds interesting 99%. Most pumps are not marked but I did see one Loves that showed 19% on the pump. I know in the mid west I had a problem finding straight diesel. That transfer tanks been well worth what I spent to put it in to the install.
Your old JD sounds like a 1952 Cat maintainer we used at the cabin. Fire the pony motor, roll the engine & spray either over the engine into the intake...and pray. We used it to push show off the road in, 8 miles to the county road.
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Post by Edd505 on May 6, 2020 23:34:34 GMT -5
There was an extensive study done under lab conditions, about diesel fuel additives a number of years ago. Here is a link to the pdf file of the test results: link. IIRC, the #1 additive doesn't seem to be available any more. On edit: I stand corrected. The Opti-Lube XPD =is= available. Not as cheap as Diesel Kleen, but =much= more effective, if that test is to be believed. Best price on Opti-Lube is to buy direct and pay shipping. No tax, whereas if you buy via Amazon, you'll pay tax and a price that more than makes up for the shipping if buying direct. Ends up to be < $3 / 25 gal, if my calcs are correct.
Lyle Wonder if it ships free with Prime. I'll check it, thanks. |
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Post by Soleman on May 7, 2020 6:09:35 GMT -5
That Opti-Lube XPD looks like good stuff, I'll try it after a few fill-ups so I will have a better idea of how it runs without it.
All this information and experience is priceless for a newbie like me.
Can't thank ALL you guys enough!
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Post by laknox on May 7, 2020 12:33:30 GMT -5
That Diesel Kleene-Centane Boost looks like a good product! The Bio fuel issue is all Greek to me? I'll leave that alone for now. Oh, the aux transfer tank is on my wish list, that might be a while, I'm tapped out! Bio diesel is part vegetable oil, the emblem on the side of my Ford says B20, that means it is designed to use up to 20% veggie oil.
laknax: that sounds interesting 99%. Most pumps are not marked but I did see one Loves that showed 19% on the pump. I know in the mid west I had a problem finding straight diesel. That transfer tanks been well worth what I spent to put it in to the install.
Your old JD sounds like a 1952 Cat maintainer we used at the cabin. Fire the pony motor, roll the engine & spray either over the engine into the intake...and pray. We used it to push show off the road in, 8 miles to the county road.
Pony motors were used because you simply couldn't hand-crank, or even bar start, those diesels. The gas-start on the Deeres was because the working fuel just needed the extra heat from the head to reach flash point. I =have= talked to a few old-timers who claim to have started one on distallate (or kerosene), but only when the engine was already hot, either from running or from sitting in the AZ sun in the summer. Lyle |
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Post by laknox on May 7, 2020 12:39:35 GMT -5
There was an extensive study done under lab conditions, about diesel fuel additives a number of years ago. Here is a link to the pdf file of the test results: link. IIRC, the #1 additive doesn't seem to be available any more. On edit: I stand corrected. The Opti-Lube XPD =is= available. Not as cheap as Diesel Kleen, but =much= more effective, if that test is to be believed. Best price on Opti-Lube is to buy direct and pay shipping. No tax, whereas if you buy via Amazon, you'll pay tax and a price that more than makes up for the shipping if buying direct. Ends up to be < $3 / 25 gal, if my calcs are correct.
Lyle Wonder if it ships free with Prime. I'll check it, thanks. Even if it ships free, you're going to pay sales tax. The 1gal jug with accessories is $78 and change on Amazon, plus tax. The same thing direct from Opti-Lube is just under $65, plus shipping, so you're a couple bucks ahead. The same gallon, without accessories, is about $54, plus shipping buying direct or $70+, plus tax on Amazon. Again, a few bucks ahead buying direct. Shipping via FedEx Ground was $15, direct. Shipping on Amazon is free if you choose Economy at checkout, so you're not getting 2-day. Still going to take about a week to get to you, so you might as well buy direct and save a couple bucks. Lyle |
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Post by ronc on May 7, 2020 16:34:18 GMT -5
That Diesel Kleene-Centane Boost looks like a good product! The Bio fuel issue is all Greek to me? I'll leave that alone for now. Oh, the aux transfer tank is on my wish list, that might be a while, I'm tapped out! Bio diesel is part vegetable oil, the emblem on the side of my Ford says B20, that means it is designed to use up to 20% veggie oil.
laknax: that sounds interesting 99%. Most pumps are not marked but I did see one Loves that showed 19% on the pump. I know in the mid west I had a problem finding straight diesel. That transfer tanks been well worth what I spent to put it in to the install.
Your old JD sounds like a 1952 Cat maintainer we used at the cabin. Fire the pony motor, roll the engine & spray either over the engine into the intake...and pray. We used it to push show off the road in, 8 miles to the county road.
Ether will start a diesel, but use it sparingly. It can stretch head bolts and even blow head gaskets. It was a common reason to deny warranty if an engine came in with low compression. |
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Post by laknox on May 8, 2020 11:12:33 GMT -5
Bio diesel is part vegetable oil, the emblem on the side of my Ford says B20, that means it is designed to use up to 20% veggie oil.
laknax: that sounds interesting 99%. Most pumps are not marked but I did see one Loves that showed 19% on the pump. I know in the mid west I had a problem finding straight diesel. That transfer tanks been well worth what I spent to put it in to the install.
Your old JD sounds like a 1952 Cat maintainer we used at the cabin. Fire the pony motor, roll the engine & spray either over the engine into the intake...and pray. We used it to push show off the road in, 8 miles to the county road.
Ether will start a diesel, but use it sparingly. It can stretch head bolts and even blow head gaskets. It was a common reason to deny warranty if an engine came in with low compression. We used it on our tractors all the time in the winter. Hell, the newer tractors had a fixture on the side of the engine where you mounted a can and there was a button on the dash to trigger it as you cranked. We used to buy ether by the case, and that was here in AZ. The 4020s had a fixture on the console where you could shoot ether into the intake, but you needed 3 hands; one to turn the key, one to hold the ether can and a 3rd to crank the steering wheel back and forth to relieve pressure on the steering system to make it crank easier. :-) Lyle |
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Post by Edd505 on May 8, 2020 18:38:17 GMT -5
Ether will start a diesel, but use it sparingly. It can stretch head bolts and even blow head gaskets. It was a common reason to deny warranty if an engine came in with low compression. We used it on our tractors all the time in the winter. Hell, the newer tractors had a fixture on the side of the engine where you mounted a can and there was a button on the dash to trigger it as you cranked. We used to buy ether by the case, and that was here in AZ. The 4020s had a fixture on the console where you could shoot ether into the intake, but you needed 3 hands; one to turn the key, one to hold the ether can and a 3rd to crank the steering wheel back and forth to relieve pressure on the steering system to make it crank easier. :-) Lyle Some of the class 8 trucks had ether mounted under the hood and a button inside to start cold engines. Not sure whats changed but my Ford 6.7 fires like a gasser with temps in the 20's. |
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Post by ronc on May 9, 2020 17:34:04 GMT -5
Not everyone on here is as experienced as some older truckers and farmers. My caution was for them. For example, the experienced group know that the engine should be turning over before you hit the spray ... a newbie might just spay with enthusiasm and then try to crank the engine ... blowing the top off the engine.
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Post by nvguy on May 9, 2020 19:31:03 GMT -5
Ether for an engine is like a defibrillator doctors used to start / straighten out your heart. Very handy when really needed, but not for casual everyday use by the untrained.
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Post by Edd505 on May 10, 2020 23:34:15 GMT -5
Ether for an engine is like a defibrillator doctors used to start / straighten out your heart. Very handy when really needed, but not for casual everyday use by the untrained. Good advice ronc & nvguy also, use with caution. |
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Post by Chuck on May 11, 2020 17:04:10 GMT -5
An old timer told a driver to go over to his truck an dump a can of ether in the engine an it should start, driver followed instructions to a "T" an blew the heads off the engine !!!! We had ether pills on some of the old trucks I drove, put the pill in, crank the engine an dump the pill in, started every time in cold weather  Be Safe Chuck |
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Post by pawpawcamper on Jul 9, 2020 11:08:24 GMT -5
Congrats. For towing diesel is the best without question. I would advise discussing your maintenance with your local dealer. They will know the most about your truck and any issues they tend to have. all vehicles have some issues. That is mechanics.
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Post by Soleman on Jul 9, 2020 21:01:04 GMT -5
Thanks pawpawcamper, You are correct about pulling with diesel, I couldn't be more pleased. I already replaced the fuel filters and will do the oil filter this Saturday. I swear the last guy that replaced the rear fuel filter must have used a 36" pipe wrench to tighten it! I ended up pretty much crushing it trying to get it off but it all worked out well that being the only issue. I found several videos for reference and on this link below he had a list of things that made it pretty easy. I already had most of the tools and now I know it's done right. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALzOoHftP9c |
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Post by Edd505 on Jul 11, 2020 15:18:29 GMT -5
Thanks pawpawcamper, You are correct about pulling with diesel, I couldn't be more pleased. I already replaced the fuel filters and will do the oil filter this Saturday. I swear the last guy that replaced the rear fuel filter must have used a 36" pipe wrench to tighten it! I ended up pretty much crushing it trying to get it off but it all worked out well that being the only issue. I found several videos for reference and on this link below he had a list of things that made it pretty easy. I already had most of the tools and now I know it's done right. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALzOoHftP9cno idea why people need to torque the stuff so tight, fuel filter, oil filters, drain plugs and spark plugs. I do my own now unless on the road small shop in farm/ranch areas, they are used to dealing with diesels, big cities not so much. |
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