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Post by scottd on Mar 17, 2020 14:53:47 GMT -5
I just purchased a 2020 Durango Gold 3 weeks ago. I am having issues with the leveling system. When retracting the jacks it makes a clicking/popping noise and then stops. I then have to wait for it to reset and start retracting again and it will happen again. Any ideas or help is much appreciated. Thanks!
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Post by juzplanekrazy on Mar 17, 2020 15:26:35 GMT -5
Mine can do that as well. It's when the battery's are low. See if that's the case.
Also air in the lines, low hydraulic fluid can be checked too.
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Post by Chuck on Mar 17, 2020 16:08:05 GMT -5
There have been posts regarding such here on the form, One is that keeping your finger all the way on the screen button makes a difference the other is that LCI recommends taking out one quart of Hydraulic fluid an adding back one quart of a type of Caterpillar fluid or equiv ... I looked on the LCI web page but couldn't find such Ugh !!! I'm sure ncguy could tell you what type of Hydraulic fluid  Chuck |
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Post by Edd505 on Mar 17, 2020 20:43:13 GMT -5
It's anit stiction fluid, use a turkey baster to suck out wand refill. Can't make a link that works, cut and paste this in your browser & it should bring up a PDF file
file:///C:/Users/ADMINI~1/AppData/Local/Temp/CCD_0002091.pdf |
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Post by johnr on Mar 18, 2020 6:21:33 GMT -5
Here you go, I uploaded it as an attachment. Is this the right one? CCD_0002091.pdf (196.99 KB) |
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Post by nvguy on Mar 18, 2020 21:46:27 GMT -5
There have been posts regarding such here on the form, One is that keeping your finger all the way on the screen button makes a difference the other is that LCI recommends taking out one quart of Hydraulic fluid an adding back one quart of a type of Caterpillar fluid or equiv ... I looked on the LCI web page but couldn't find such Ugh !!! I'm sure ncguy could tell you what type of Hydraulic fluid Chuck Here ya go.... Link follows Introduction: If there is a popping noise in a Lippert Leveling system, Lippert has approved adding a quart of anti-stiction fluid. Approved fluids are listed by brand name and fluid characteristics below: • Torco RFF Grade 15 (Fig. 1) • Maxima Fork Oil Grade 15 (Fig. 2) • Caterpillar Hydraulic Oil Additive 1U-9891 (Fig. 3) For maximum results in the shortest amount of time, please follow the preparation and procedure exactly as written below. Failure to follow the preparation and procedure may result in delayed resolution of the audible disturbance. link |
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Post by Chuck on Mar 19, 2020 16:12:34 GMT -5
There have been posts regarding such here on the form, One is that keeping your finger all the way on the screen button makes a difference the other is that LCI recommends taking out one quart of Hydraulic fluid an adding back one quart of a type of Caterpillar fluid or equiv ... I looked on the LCI web page but couldn't find such Ugh !!! I'm sure ncguy could tell you what type of Hydraulic fluid Chuck Here ya go.... Link follows Introduction: If there is a popping noise in a Lippert Leveling system, Lippert has approved adding a quart of anti-stiction fluid. Approved fluids are listed by brand name and fluid characteristics below: • Torco RFF Grade 15 (Fig. 1) • Maxima Fork Oil Grade 15 (Fig. 2) • Caterpillar Hydraulic Oil Additive 1U-9891 (Fig. 3) For maximum results in the shortest amount of time, please follow the preparation and procedure exactly as written below. Failure to follow the preparation and procedure may result in delayed resolution of the audible disturbance. linkTNXS nvguy
Chuck
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Post by Edd505 on Mar 19, 2020 21:14:41 GMT -5
That's the one, but for some reason I couldn't get a link to work.
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Post by ronc on Mar 20, 2020 15:45:32 GMT -5
Generally, the anti-stiction stuff is most helpful when the rig is sitting level on the jacks and as you move around, it makes a popping noise. Not saying it can't happen while it's in operation (extending or retracting) but that isn't the "usual" stiction issue. I would lean more toward a weak battery to cure the OP's issue. The Level Up system always runs off the battery, so a fully charged fresh battery is a must ... an old battery without much "capacity" left will not get it. JMO. New trailer dealers usually put in cheap small batteries ... it is left up to the owner to buy the upgraded batteries. Just another place where corners are cut at the expense of the customer.
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Post by capemayal on Mar 29, 2020 12:07:57 GMT -5
I did the removing 1 quart hydraulic fluid and adding Torco. I really find that it hasn't helped. I need to re-level every 3 weeks to a month. Walking around in the fiver I creak creaks. I hear near the entry door these sounds when I'm sitting still watch the tube. I don't know what the problem could be. But, my next step is checking the jack bolts. Does anyone know what the torque values are? One of the others here at the park suggested putting scissor jacks on the back of the trailer's frame - near the end. I have the leveler's pad on 2 12x12 concrete pavers. Not really sure if that was the best idea.
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Post by ronc on Mar 29, 2020 12:19:48 GMT -5
I did the removing 1 quart hydraulic fluid and adding Torco. I really find that it hasn't helped. I need to re-level every 3 weeks to a month. Walking around in the fiver I creak creaks. I hear near the entry door these sounds when I'm sitting still watch the tube. I don't know what the problem could be. But, my next step is checking the jack bolts. Does anyone know what the torque values are? One of the others here at the park suggested putting scissor jacks on the back of the trailer's frame - near the end. I have the leveler's pad on 2 12x12 concrete pavers. Not really sure if that was the best idea. It’s OK to add a second quart of anti stiction fluid if needed. In order for it to work properly, you will need to cycle the jacks fully up and fully down several times. The need to re-level every 3-4 weeks is not unusual. The level up system is intended to auto level a rig when traveling. It is not intended to be a “level forever” thing. If you are permanent, or a very long timer, use cement blocks and wood wedges to maintain a more permanent level. The creaking is definitely stiction and it just “happens” in hydraulic systems. |
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Post by capemayal on Mar 29, 2020 12:34:31 GMT -5
I did the removing 1 quart hydraulic fluid and adding Torco. I really find that it hasn't helped. I need to re-level every 3 weeks to a month. Walking around in the fiver I creak creaks. I hear near the entry door these sounds when I'm sitting still watch the tube. I don't know what the problem could be. But, my next step is checking the jack bolts. Does anyone know what the torque values are? One of the others here at the park suggested putting scissor jacks on the back of the trailer's frame - near the end. I have the leveler's pad on 2 12x12 concrete pavers. Not really sure if that was the best idea. It’s OK to add a second quart of anti stiction fluid if needed. In order for it to work properly, you will need to cycle the jacks fully up and fully down several times. The need to re-level every 3-4 weeks is not unusual. The level up system is intended to auto level a rig when traveling. It is not intended to be a “level forever” thing. If you are permanent, or a very long timer, use cement blocks and wood wedges to maintain a more permanent level. The creaking is definitely stiction and it just “happens” in hydraulic systems. Thanks Ronc. Yes, I'm here long term. I'm surprised that its not unusual to re-level every few weeks. I do use the cement pavers, 2 on each leg. One of the neighbors uses 2 18x18x3/4 wood glued and screwed together. Same leveling system, and doesn't have any issues. Maybe the wood is better than the pavers or the larger area spreads the weight more. I do raise the legs and slides in, hitched up to remove/add the oil. I do cycle all the jacks and use dry lube on a regular bases. I do not see any indication of leaks. I'll try another quart of the Torco, or just regular gear oil - any thoughts on the fork oil vs gear oil? |
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Post by johnr on Mar 30, 2020 6:29:47 GMT -5
I might suggest calling your dealer, as it's a brand new RV. If something is not right, they are supposed to be there to make it right.
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Post by ronc on Mar 31, 2020 13:27:29 GMT -5
Thanks Ronc. Yes, I'm here long term. I'm surprised that its not unusual to re-level every few weeks. I do use the cement pavers, 2 on each leg. One of the neighbors uses 2 18x18x3/4 wood glued and screwed together. Same leveling system, and doesn't have any issues. Maybe the wood is better than the pavers or the larger area spreads the weight more. I do raise the legs and slides in, hitched up to remove/add the oil. I do cycle all the jacks and use dry lube on a regular bases. I do not see any indication of leaks. I'll try another quart of the Torco, or just regular gear oil - any thoughts on the fork oil vs gear oil?
DO NOT use regular gear oil. The hydraulic fluid in you system isn't gear oil ... it's more like automatic transmission fluid. The anti stiction oil has very high lubricity ... very slippery ... and is the only approved additive.
When I said to use concrete blocks and wood wedges ... I meant from the ground all the way up to the frame. When you use two pavers you are just shortening how much the hydraulic levelers extend ... but they are still in the leveling system. The cement blocks I'm suggesting REPLACE the hydraulic levelers as the primary support of your rig. Like setting up old mobile homes, before the days of auto level systems.
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Post by laknox on Apr 1, 2020 10:05:49 GMT -5
Thanks Ronc. Yes, I'm here long term. I'm surprised that its not unusual to re-level every few weeks. I do use the cement pavers, 2 on each leg. One of the neighbors uses 2 18x18x3/4 wood glued and screwed together. Same leveling system, and doesn't have any issues. Maybe the wood is better than the pavers or the larger area spreads the weight more. I do raise the legs and slides in, hitched up to remove/add the oil. I do cycle all the jacks and use dry lube on a regular bases. I do not see any indication of leaks. I'll try another quart of the Torco, or just regular gear oil - any thoughts on the fork oil vs gear oil? DO NOT use regular gear oil. The hydraulic fluid in you system isn't gear oil ... it's more like automatic transmission fluid. The anti stiction oil has very high lubricity ... very slippery ... and is the only approved additive. When I said to use concrete blocks and wood wedges ... I meant from the ground all the way up to the frame. When you use two pavers you are just shortening how much the hydraulic levelers extend ... but they are still in the leveling system. The cement blocks I'm suggesting REPLACE the hydraulic levelers as the primary support of your rig. Like setting up old mobile homes, before the days of auto level systems. IMO, it's a much better idea to either use jack stands or wood cribbing, if you're going to do a full frame-support, instead of using the jacks. Cement blocks can, and do, crack and break. This can lead to overloading the next stack, and you've now got a cascading failure. Just my 2 cents... Lyle |
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Post by ronc on Apr 1, 2020 19:22:10 GMT -5
Lyle ... I see your point, and anything is possible, but just about every mobile home and “park models” are all on cinder block “foundations”. While I can visualize a “cascading failure”, I have never heard of one actually occurring.
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Post by laknox on Apr 1, 2020 21:55:20 GMT -5
Lyle ... I see your point, and anything is possible, but just about every mobile home and “park models” are all on cinder block “foundations”. While I can visualize a “cascading failure”, I have never heard of one actually occurring. I've just used too many cinder blocks that broke over the years, that I just feel that there are better alternatives. Lyle |
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Post by mkpaint on Apr 2, 2020 22:54:37 GMT -5
We hear a lot of popping noises now that we didn’t hear before we moved.
I’m wondering if it is the hydraulics? Unfortunately I don’t know anything, but I’m about to buy some adjustable screw jack stands and put under frame and see what happens.
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Post by ronc on Apr 2, 2020 23:07:59 GMT -5
We hear a lot of popping noises now that we didn’t hear before we moved. I’m wondering if it is the hydraulics? Unfortunately I don’t know anything, but I’m about to buy some adjustable screw jack stands and put under frame and see what happens. It is most likely hydraulics. You should try the anti stiction remedies recommended in this post ... assuming you have not already done so. |
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Post by Chuck on Apr 18, 2020 18:50:35 GMT -5
We hear a lot of popping noises now that we didn’t hear before we moved. I’m wondering if it is the hydraulics? Unfortunately I don’t know anything, but I’m about to buy some adjustable screw jack stands and put under frame and see what happens. what ever you do not put any jack stands under your slides only on frame
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