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Post by ronc on Apr 10, 2019 13:52:31 GMT -5
I am a Ford long box guy. Looking at 250 or 350. I really like the 2500. I am not to keen on diesel living up in the North Country, but we don't need to stir up that conversation. That is pretty well documented. Unless someone really wants to convince me. Even though I own a Diesel, It's hard to dispute the numbers that say unless you run a ton of miles- the Diesel doesn't really pencil out. (Based on several cost of ownership analysis I have seen) But i gotta say having a ton of torque while the engine just lazes along is really nice, and for me, it makes it worthwhile. The 10 MPG isn't bad either. Not sure about the numbers, but Diesel engines and 4x4 trucks cost more up front, but return more on the backend. So those options only cost what the difference is between those two data points. If you want to do your own research, just get on the Kelly Blue Book website and check out trade in values. So having that power and paying so little for it makes it an easy decision for me. |
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Post by Edd505 on Apr 10, 2019 22:19:05 GMT -5
I am a Ford long box guy. Looking at 250 or 350. I really like the 2500. I am not to keen on diesel living up in the North Country, but we don't need to stir up that conversation. That is pretty well documented. Unless someone really wants to convince me. Can only speak to Ford but the new ones are no wait to start, crank like a gasser. I have been in 20's with out the block heater & no problem starting, I do run anti gel when it gets below freezing.. |
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Post by Chuck on Apr 14, 2019 10:34:36 GMT -5
I am a Ford long box guy. Looking at 250 or 350. I really like the 2500. I am not to keen on diesel living up in the North Country, but we don't need to stir up that conversation. That is pretty well documented. Unless someone really wants to convince me. Even though I own a Diesel, It's hard to dispute the numbers that say unless you run a ton of miles- the Diesel doesn't really pencil out. (Based on several cost of ownership analysis I have seen) But i gotta say having a ton of torque while the engine just lazes along is really nice, and for me, it makes it worthwhile. The 10 MPG isn't bad either. Only 10mph when pulling, wow, I'm getting 12 to 14 with a older 6.0 international diesel in our F350 with a chip in tow mode an that's in the mountains out here in the west ... Of course I'm not a hot rod either, 62 to 65 most days pulling our 384RLT 
I believe the newer fords are getting even better but of course you have to buy DEF now days along with your desel which is a pain in the back-side ...
Chuck
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Post by nvguy on Apr 14, 2019 17:16:33 GMT -5
Even though I own a Diesel, It's hard to dispute the numbers that say unless you run a ton of miles- the Diesel doesn't really pencil out. (Based on several cost of ownership analysis I have seen) But i gotta say having a ton of torque while the engine just lazes along is really nice, and for me, it makes it worthwhile. The 10 MPG isn't bad either. Only 10mph when pulling, wow, I'm getting 12 to 14 with a older 6.0 international diesel in our F350 with a chip in tow mode an that's in the mountains out here in the west ... Of course I'm not a hot rod either, 62 to 65 most days pulling our 384RLT
I believe the newer fords are getting even better but of course you have to buy DEF now days along with your desel which is a pain in the back-side ...
Chuck
That 10 MPG is an overall average over 5200 miles last August. I will admit to having a bit of heavy foot, as hills have no effect on my speed which tends towards 67-70. Dollars to donuts, if I kept my speed down my MPG would probably be closer to yours, as I have found Ford trucks (3 Diesel, 3 gas) loose MPG rapidly once you top 65.
As far as the DEF thing, over that 5200 miles, I might have used 5 gallons. A bit of a PITA, but not all that bad.
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Post by lynnmor on Apr 14, 2019 19:25:04 GMT -5
I average 11.3 to 11.7 on very long trips with my Ford 6.7 diesel, pulling a much smaller and lighter travel trailer. I drive conservatively and set the cruise at 63 MPH, rarely if ever hit 65. Many ST trailer tires have a maximum speed rating of 65 MPH, but I changed those out for LT tires with a 99 MPH rating mostly because I don't want junk for tires. I have seen over 13 MPG running interstates only, but that is not my typical way of traveling, preferring the scenic routes and all those roads that many warn against. Some of the older diesels did better than the current crop. The DEF is a non issue and is there so manufacturers can tune for better performance and still meet the emissions laws, to me that is a plus.
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Post by Edd505 on Apr 14, 2019 20:29:17 GMT -5
I average 11.3 to 11.7 on very long trips with my Ford 6.7 diesel, pulling a much smaller and lighter travel trailer. I drive conservatively and set the cruise at 63 MPH, rarely if ever hit 65. Many ST trailer tires have a maximum speed rating of 65 MPH, but I changed those out for LT tires with a 99 MPH rating mostly because I don't want junk for tires. I have seen over 13 MPG running interstates only, but that is not my typical way of traveling, preferring the scenic routes and all those roads that many warn against. Some of the older diesels did better than the current crop. The DEF is a non issue and is there so manufacturers can tune for better performance and still meet the emissions laws, to me that is a plus. Same here on mileage, with programmer & 13K 5W @ 65mph. Soon as I hit 100K and the end of warranty that def will disappear with some other mods. |
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Post by Chuck on Apr 18, 2019 10:06:59 GMT -5
I average 11.3 to 11.7 on very long trips with my Ford 6.7 diesel, pulling a much smaller and lighter travel trailer. I drive conservatively and set the cruise at 63 MPH, rarely if ever hit 65. Many ST trailer tires have a maximum speed rating of 65 MPH, but I changed those out for LT tires with a 99 MPH rating mostly because I don't want junk for tires. I have seen over 13 MPG running interstates only, but that is not my typical way of traveling, preferring the scenic routes and all those roads that many warn against. Some of the older diesels did better than the current crop. The DEF is a non issue and is there so manufacturers can tune for better performance and still meet the emissions laws, to me that is a plus. Same here on mileage, with programmer & 13K 5W @ 65mph. Soon as I hit 100K and the end of warranty that def will disappear with some other mods. I'm Telling Darrell 
Chuck
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Post by ronc on Apr 18, 2019 14:53:06 GMT -5
My mileage isn't as good as most here. I'm a 10 mpg guy on flat ground @60 mph, but my GCVW is just a bit over 27,000 lbs. Completely stock 2016 dually (17" wheels and 3.73 rear axle ratio). Yesterday we fought 30-40 mph headwinds all day long with some mountains thrown in and got 8 mpg. Rig was very stable (love those dually's), but getting out to walk the dogs was interesting.
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Post by Chuck on Apr 19, 2019 10:51:13 GMT -5
yep, 30 to 40mph head winds along with 6 an 7 percent grades a number of miles long will sure kill MPH ... We still have tons of snow in the passes out here an it's back to raining after a couple of days of sunshine to make the grass grow ... Safe travels Chuck |
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Post by Edd505 on Apr 19, 2019 21:53:53 GMT -5
My mileage isn't as good as most here. I'm a 10 mpg guy on flat ground @60 mph, but my GCVW is just a bit over 27,000 lbs. Completely stock 2016 dually (17" wheels and 3.73 rear axle ratio). Yesterday we fought 30-40 mph headwinds all day long with some mountains thrown in and got 8 mpg. Rig was very stable (love those dually's), but getting out to walk the dogs was interesting. Were you following me to CO? I dropped to 9.4, 12.8 coming back south. |
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Post by tightwadted on Apr 27, 2019 12:15:01 GMT -5
Kind of gotten away from the OP's original question, I've pulled 4 campers, all with 2500 Chevys the last 3 were 5ths weighing 5900 lbs, 7500 lbs and now my 2015 1500 Durango 295 (scaled at 9500 lbs ready to leave on a trip). Even though all were probably figured for being pulled by a half ton PU I wouldn't do it. My first 2500 chevy with 350 was not an HD and it didn't feel like enough truck for that first 5th wheel. when I upgraded to the HD with a 454 felt much better, of course the 454 was lucky to see 9mpg, the duramax around 11-12 now with heavier trailer. I know the 1500 Durango is scaled down from the 2500, but DW and I have been pretty happy with it, just finished upgrading suspension with MorRyde 4000, heavier shackles, x-factor braces and reinforcement plates, will see how it rides on our trip to Alaska this summer.
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Post by Chuck on Apr 27, 2019 13:05:45 GMT -5
tightwadted You won't regret putting on the MorRyde suspension an cross brace's, our 5th wheel on average is over 13k loaded ...
I could tell the difference almost right away in the way it road on ruff roads, as well no more cracking an popping when back into camp site's ... Friends of our stated on our last trip with them that they were use to hearing our trailer make loud cracking an popping noise's when backing into a tight camping spot next to them last year, they heard none
of that this year an ask what we did ...
I told them about changing out the suspension an cross brace's, they made the statement that they had to at least
get the cross brace's since they saw that big of a difference in our trailer Our friends also liked the idea that you could grease the suspension so bearing would last longer if kept up on proper maintenance, that was a plus in their eyes ...
On the Diesel engines costing more as I have posted in other threads you can find pretty good deals on them if you look around... We bought our F350 DW CC 4x4 used at over a third of what it cost new an it only had 30k on it .... Gas engine trucks are ok an nice to run around town an do light duty an pull TT, but heaver diesel engine trucks are needed to pull the bigger 5th wheel trailers like ours at over 13k ... I would go as far as to say anything over 10k you would be better off with a diesel engine an get better mileage pulling a trailer ...
As always this is only my own opinion for what it is worth an that's ok, differences make the world go around
Sage travels
Chuck
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