koerb
Newbie RV’er
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Post by koerb on Jul 17, 2017 15:57:20 GMT -5
Second outing and Bam, picked up a screw in my left front tire. Tire was down to 60 psi when I first noticed it, topped it off with my portable air compressor in order to get home on Sunday. Tire seems to be holding it's own and only losing 3-5 psi a day which I can control so not critical. My question, should I go out and purchase a 1 ton bottle jack or would one of the heavy duty auto ramps I see advertised as just being able to back the non-affected tire up upon and work on the other one work just as well? Know the unit has independent suspension and was just wondering if the other tire would even come off the ground if backing onto the ramp. Suggestions appreciated.
John Koerber
Graham, Wa
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Post by Chuck on Jul 17, 2017 17:26:35 GMT -5
Guzzz John I use to live over the Graham hill on 189th, small world ... The last time I had a flat (which was on my trailer) I called my car/truck insurance carrier (USAA) they sent out a wrecker, the guy changed the tire putting on the spare as I watched, tipped him $10. Tire change was paid by insurance thus I took out anything that I needed to change a tire except the tires of course, I am not sure if my spare is even any good any more, it's been on the truck 2005 since new, maybe I should have it check Ugh ! ! Chuck & Hildi out and about  |
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Post by lynnmor on Jul 17, 2017 18:41:10 GMT -5
When you say the unit has independent suspension, does it have leaf springs or torsion axles? It makes a difference with how you need to jack.
Have that tire properly patched from the inside and don't continue to run it.
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Post by Chuck on Jul 17, 2017 22:01:28 GMT -5
lynnmor
The 384RLT's have 7000pd Dexter axles attached to springs Height Adjusting Hangers
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Post by joecamper on Jul 21, 2017 18:58:36 GMT -5
When I had a flat on my 2011 Durango 325RL, I just simply raised the whole thing up with the leveling jacks. Works great. I lifted one whole side, not just one tire.
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Post by Edd505 on Jul 21, 2017 19:15:05 GMT -5
You can pull the good tire on a ramp out of lego's to change the flat & Anderson sells a tire changing ramp. I have Coach net road insurance, like chuck a phone call and watch the tech change it.
joecamper
Lippert advises not to lift the unit with the levelers;
"The use of the Ground Control to support the unit for any reason other than that which it is intended is
prohibited by Lippert's limited warranty. The Lippert Ground Control is designed as a "leveling" system
only and should not be used to provide service for any reason under the coach such as changing tires or
servicing the leveling system."
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larryo
Weekender RV’er
Posts: 82
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Post by larryo on Jul 21, 2017 21:42:46 GMT -5
Second outing and Bam, picked up a screw in my left front tire. Tire was down to 60 psi when I first noticed it, topped it off with my portable air compressor in order to get home on Sunday. Tire seems to be holding it's own and only losing 3-5 psi a day which I can control so not critical. My question, should I go out and purchase a 1 ton bottle jack or would one of the heavy duty auto ramps I see advertised as just being able to back the non-affected tire up upon and work on the other one work just as well? Know the unit has independent suspension and was just wondering if the other tire would even come off the ground if backing onto the ramp. Suggestions appreciated. John Koerber Graham, Wa I carry two small (one ton) bottle jacks that I bought at Walmart, which I have had to use twice. I also have the Anderson ramps that I have had use to level the trailer on occasion. I have never tried to lift one tire using the ramps. |
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Post by Chuck on Jul 22, 2017 20:55:50 GMT -5
As I said, call your insurance company, see if road side coverage is on your trailer an vehicle, if so why carry all the extra weight. The DW packs enough to come close to our GVRW an then with all the quilt store stops along the way I worry that we are even closer, I can only hope that she will not buy another sewing machine LOL, so far I'm in luck but we are going to a quilt store and fabric factory on Monday Ugh ! Chuck and Hildi out and about |
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Post by ronc on Jul 25, 2017 17:33:40 GMT -5
You can pull the good tire on a ramp out of lego's to change the flat & Anderson sells a tire changing ramp. I have Coach net road insurance, like chuck a phone call and watch the tech change it. joecamper Lippert advises not to lift the unit with the levelers; "The use of the Ground Control to support the unit for any reason other than that which it is intended is prohibited by Lippert's limited warranty. The Lippert Ground Control is designed as a "leveling" system only and should not be used to provide service for any reason under the coach such as changing tires or servicing the leveling system." It may not change the Lippert recommendation, but the 6 jack systems on the new rigs are not the "Ground Control" units, they are now called "Level Up". FWIW, I was once on a site that was so sloped that the two right wheels were off the ground when using the system as intended ... "to level the unit". |
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Post by Edd505 on Jul 26, 2017 11:00:37 GMT -5
Sorry they built it so I'll follow recommendations. A stack of legos and I can change a tire without worry of damage to the leveling system or the unit falling down when a leg bends, hose breaks or any other system failure. www.lci1.com/assets/content/support/manuals/Level_Up__Towable__Owners_Manual.pdfLippert Components Inc. recommends that a trained professional be employed to change the tires on the unit. Ensure that the unit is properly supported with jack stands, or other adequate devices, under the frame of the unit prior to commencing any service or repair procedure. Any attempts to change the tires or perform other service while unit is supported solely by the LCI Level-Up® with Automatic Leveling System could result in death, serious injury, unit or property damage. page 2 owners manual Ground Control 3.0 Owner's Manual: Failure to act in accordance with the following may result in death or serious personal injury. The use of the Ground Control 3.0 leveling system to support the unit for any reason other than which it is intended is prohibited by Lippert’s limited warranty. The Lippert leveling system is designed as a “leveling” system only and should not be used to provide service for any reason under the unit such as changing tires or servicing the leveling system. Any attempts to change tires or perform other service while unit is supported by the Ground Control 3.0 leveling system could result in death, serious injury or damage to the 5th wheel. |
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Post by joecamper on Jul 26, 2017 20:41:51 GMT -5
Sorry they built it so I'll follow recommendations. A stack of legos and I can change a tire without worry of damage to the leveling system or the unit falling down when a leg bends, hose breaks or any other system failure. www.lci1.com/assets/content/support/manuals/Level_Up__Towable__Owners_Manual.pdfLippert Components Inc. recommends that a trained professional be employed to change the tires on the unit. Ensure that the unit is properly supported with jack stands, or other adequate devices, under the frame of the unit prior to commencing any service or repair procedure. Any attempts to change the tires or perform other service while unit is supported solely by the LCI Level-Up® with Automatic Leveling System could result in death, serious injury, unit or property damage. page 2 owners manual Ground Control 3.0 Owner's Manual: Failure to act in accordance with the following may result in death or serious personal injury. The use of the Ground Control 3.0 leveling system to support the unit for any reason other than which it is intended is prohibited by Lippert’s limited warranty. The Lippert leveling system is designed as a “leveling” system only and should not be used to provide service for any reason under the unit such as changing tires or servicing the leveling system. Any attempts to change tires or perform other service while unit is supported by the Ground Control 3.0 leveling system could result in death, serious injury or damage to the 5th wheel. I do not have the "Ground Control 3.0 leveling system". My jacks are individually operated. Further, using your system of lifting the remaining good tire up on anything until the bad tire is up enough to change out puts all the weight on the single tire/axle ... also discouraged by Lipert ... possibly bending the single axle. |
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Post by Chuck on Jul 26, 2017 21:49:04 GMT -5
I have to tell you the last to sites I have been on the "X" chocks I put between my tires when unhooking, re-hooking and stabilization of the trailer while park one has fallin out from between the wheels do to the fact the wheels are almost off the ground on one side ... I have had to raise my jacks back up put my wood 8x10 blocks under the jacks, sort of scary Ugh Safe Travels Chuck and Hildi out and about in MO. |
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Post by Edd505 on Jul 27, 2017 16:53:05 GMT -5
I do not have the "Ground Control 3.0 leveling system". My jacks are individually operated. Further, using your system of lifting the remaining good tire up on anything until the bad tire is up enough to change out puts all the weight on the single tire/axle ... also discouraged by Lipert ... possibly bending the single axle. My way of changing the tire lifts one tire off the ground leaving three others holding the weight. I have never seen anything on not using blocks to lift the flat. Unless you can jack the entire trailer, all 4 wheels, your going to place the extra weight on the wheels left. Jacking the entire one side puts all the weight on the opposing side two tires, so using your theory I guess you bend two axles using levelers. The bottom line is the manufacturer of the jacking system says DO NOT. One of the purposes of these forums is to teach so those reading do not damage equipment or get hurt, suggesting something the manufacture specifically says DO NOT DO, is in my opinion wrong. If you can direct me to something written that says not to use blocks I'll find another way. That said I'm done with this thread. |
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Post by joecamper on Jul 28, 2017 11:46:41 GMT -5
I do not have the "Ground Control 3.0 leveling system". My jacks are individually operated. Further, using your system of lifting the remaining good tire up on anything until the bad tire is up enough to change out puts all the weight on the single tire/axle ... also discouraged by Lipert ... possibly bending the single axle. My way of changing the tire lifts one tire off the ground leaving three others holding the weight. I have never seen anything on not using blocks to lift the flat. Unless you can jack the entire trailer, all 4 wheels, your going to place the extra weight on the wheels left. Jacking the entire one side puts all the weight on the opposing side two tires, so using your theory I guess you bend two axles using levelers. The bottom line is the manufacturer of the jacking system says DO NOT. One of the purposes of these forums is to teach so those reading do not damage equipment or get hurt, suggesting something the manufacture specifically says DO NOT DO, is in my opinion wrong. If you can direct me to something written that says not to use blocks I'll find another way. That said I'm done with this thread. Ok, I contacted Lippert directly and will agree with you that lifting is "discouraged" as if a jack were to fail, serious injuries could occur. However, they said that putting one wheel up on a block presents the same problem as using the jacks and "could" cause axle bending. Their response is that you should two bottle jacks on the frame, on both sides of the flat tire. So, according to Lippert, we are both wrong on how we should get the flat tire up high enough to change it. Just thought I should share Lippert's advice. Didn't mean to cause any problems. |
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Post by capemayal on Aug 9, 2017 9:52:35 GMT -5
Frankly, I wouldn't have Lippert on my coaches. But, these days they seem to own most of the running gear. I've had my issues with a few of my coaches - Lippert issues. Even a trip to the factory and assurances by J.....Li.... didn't solve the problems. But, what is is.
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Post by ronc on Sept 13, 2017 9:05:31 GMT -5
I realize this has been thrashed pretty hard but there is a point that has been missed. Lippert's guidance says that the tire should only be changed with the unit properly supported by jack stands or something similar ... attempting to change a tire with the unit supported SOLELY by the level up jacks could result in death or serious injury.
The point is that you can raise the trailer with the Level Up jacks, then place jack stands, lower the unit onto the jack stands, change your tire and reverse the process to get it back on the ground.
One should never work under a suspended load ... this is true of any kind of jacking device. Nothing wrong or dangerous about lifting the rig with the leveling system, just don't work on it with the weight supported SOLELY by the jacks.
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